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well hello uh we did it it's been 10

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years um actually i'm starting off by

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admitting that i'm telling a little

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tiny

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white lie and that is uh it's tomorrow

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is my

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10th anniversary but i'm celebrating a

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day early better than six days late so

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uh yep tomorrow ten years ago um the

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only one that answered my emails was

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steven bassett to begin with so he'll be

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joining us at some point to say hi

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and uh tomorrow i'm gonna be releasing

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episode number one on youtube and i will

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put a link in the show notes and that is

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the very first episode that i did and

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that's with stephen bassett um and you

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know

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it could be a a little bit better but it

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was okay for the first episode i i i

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gotta admit that it wasn't too bad so

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i'm not gonna spend a lot of time

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because we have

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over 40 guests and some extra people

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that are has decided they wanted to come

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in and say hi too as well

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that's over the two-hour span but we're

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going to go longer after the time ends

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at eight o'clock eastern time i think

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i'm going to extend the show just keep

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going until it kind of peters out a

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little bit so we have a number of people

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hopefully we'll be hanging in toward

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that time so the blog this week is

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called ufos over withville virginia by

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charles lear really great blog very

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interesting fascinating case

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and how this guy was kind of tortured

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just for having a ufo sighting and

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talking about it my guest first i have

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lou

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he was my stationary guest for the whole

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show and then i decided to do this

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anniversary show started contacting

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people and uh

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lou runs a great podcast show welcome

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blue hey thanks for having me here

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martin it's an absolute honor and

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pleasure yeah my stationary guest

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tonight and uh so the celebrity review

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unidentified celebrity unidentified

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celebrity review i know it's a terrible

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name and you've done a lot of

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stuff luckily i was as steve bassett i

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was your first guest i was honored to be

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that you've done a lot to the community

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yeah no thanks

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yeah um and and

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your your phone home your phone

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uh what was that called the big phone

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home the big phone home that goes very

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well now i want to bring bill in because

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bill of course helps out a lot has

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helped out a lot and bill thank you so

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much for all the work you've done in

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these several years

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good evening gentlemen and i gotta say

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martin it's been an honor and also

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meeting you at pine bush you and donner

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um a couple of months ago it is an honor

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to know you a friend

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congratulations so on behalf

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of everyone at ktra and i'm sure all

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those that are listening tuning in right

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now we tell a toast to you

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and for many more years of doing podcast

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ufo

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um continued success and the great

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people you've had on this show and

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looking forward to working with you in

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the future martin so toast to you say

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hello

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i'm gonna drink out of my sippy cup now

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by the way this is cranberry juice yeah

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that's what they all say bill

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anyway guys have a great job martin

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great congratulations okay so we have a

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couple people um we have uh in the

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background right here now we have uh

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class von from sweden

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and it's like midnight there thank you

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so much for joining us

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and you know martin it is tomorrow in

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sweden so it is right here right now i'm

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traveling yes counts

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excellent

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so hey so thank you so much class i

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thought of you as one of the the people

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i had early on the show and and uh i

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appreciate your good work that you do

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um so uh let's see someone is saying

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they're in but i don't see them

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okay but i'm still gonna bring in

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hi kevin welcome i congratulations on

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your 10th anniversary thank you thank

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you it's been it's been a real pleasure

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i've i've had nothing but fun doing this

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i didn't know how it was going to turn

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thought well maybe everyone's going to

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be you know the foil hatters or whatever

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and then i started discovering that

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these are really intelligent people

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what does this say incredible incredible

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things seen by credible witnesses but

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also there's a lot of people in this

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field that have never seen a ufo ever

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but they still know there's something

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going on and and take it serious

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and have done some great work it's been

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a real pleasure

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so class just real quickly um you're

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you're super busy uh why don't you just

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talk quickly about that what you've been

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have made talks

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zoom-like it's not nice at all

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but now i can travel again and i've been

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busy traveling to several cities here in

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audiences and that is great

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lots of people asking questions about

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ufos and of course about what's

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the american government and the congress

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and you know that stuff

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ago i've been filming in the south of

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for a show a film a feature film i

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should say which will be aired next year

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it's called ufo sweden is the name of

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the film and the main character is named

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after me which is uh very nice of course

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so yeah i'm doing a cameo appearance in

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that movie

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yeah well you can see behind class for

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those of you watching this on video

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there's uh there's books and things and

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you have one of the largest archives in

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the entire world on ufo material right

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absolutely i will travel to the u.s in

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march to rice university and

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called our case of the impossible

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and i will give a talk about afu our

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case for the unexplained which is we

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think the largest our case when it comes

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uh things like this unexplained cycle

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so uh i'm very busy with that i work

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with that every day every single day the

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and it's uh 15 localities right now and

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right now just a couple of hours ago i

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toronto in canada a couple of pallets

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with ufo material which will be arriving

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interesting it is

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well that's great and one of the things

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i liked about talking to you in the very

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they take that subject serious over

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there there's hasn't been the ridicule

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factor that there is in other places in

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no that's right martin and uh it seems a

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little strange maybe from an american

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point of view but we have been

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working so many years

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together with the authorities not

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against them trying to get help from

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them instead of making them as

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so now we can get the radar returns from

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the military that nobody else in the

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world can get from their military

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we can discuss things with them we are

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and this has made i think our reputation

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within both the military and

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much better than in other countries

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excellent excellent well uh

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thank you so much for coming on you can

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hang out for a while if you want i know

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it's you know it's after midnight as

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they say and uh i i want to find out

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kevin what have you been up to

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impressed with all the work he's doing

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i've been trying to get the three books

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done i got a call or an email from a

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publisher that wanted to republish the

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and i said no we can't do that it needs

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to be horribly updated because i think

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it was brad sparks and suggested there

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think what we've determined is there was

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no actual project moon dust it was the

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code name of the ufo investigations that

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would be being conducted by various

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you might be a military officer and

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there would be a ufo investigation it

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use the code name moondust on it you'd

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be the moondust project officer for that

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so i updated it to reflect that

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information and

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make it clear that yes moondust existed

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in one format but it wasn't quite what

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i i did a book just uh handed in on

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project project on level land which were

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the sightings in

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texas in 1957 where the ufo interacted

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with the environment stalled car engines

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i think witnesses at least 13 separate

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locations independently reported the

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same sort of phenomena with the car

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engines and i discovered that not only

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the sheriff involved in that the the

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project blue book investigation

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suggested that he had gotten no closer

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than 900 yards for the thing but

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i found evidence that not only did he

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get closer but his car was stalled as

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and so that kind of updates and brings

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a clearer picture i think that if we had

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in 1957 investigating that case in the

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united states rather than nycap the

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don kehoe organization arguing with the

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air force about how many witnesses there

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and and actually investigated the

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sighting at the time we'd be having a

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whole bunch of different conversations

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there and i'm finishing up a book called

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understanding roswell so that we can

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bring all of that into sharper focus i

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think

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working um he he was on this show he was

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working on that right

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on what

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on pri on i'm sorry on project dust

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he did some work on it yes yes he's he

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and brad sparks were great helps in in

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doing the research as were a number of

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other people uh suggesting things and

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helping me

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kind of focus where we're going but the

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project moon dust book is it'll be out

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in march and it's uh

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updated and brings it more in line with

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what was actually going on and a

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better i guess understanding of what was

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that was all about and what how this was

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kind of buried for years and years and

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years

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nobody talking about it i actually found

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four reports in the project blue book

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file stamped moondust

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and had we had access to the project

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moondust files earlier moondust the

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project blue book files earlier we would

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have known more about that i now have a

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complete copy of the project bloomberg

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files uh digi digitalized i've also got

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all the microphones

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from the original project blue book so

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i've got a complete archive of the

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project blue book materials

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kevin is there anything that you can

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confirm from like what was the most

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exotic material that was collected by

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project moondust

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i there was uh a number of cases in the

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air force of course and people say well

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mundus was never deployed it was never

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activated we've got a number of cases

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where it was i think there was a a case

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in bolivia

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that um

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antonio haneras

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had done a lot of work on and i think

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that's a very interesting case and it

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suggests that there were a number of

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civilians from the united states

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possibly cia deployed into the area to

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kind of look look at that i think that's

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a very interesting case but we get very

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little unlike i think klaus was saying

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we get very little uh

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assistance from our military on this

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they will deny things

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um

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we have the big report in

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june

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i always i always point out it was on

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june 25th at the same date of the custer

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massacre another great disaster

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the um

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report was virtually

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a ninth grade

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uh science report which wasn't very good

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and but they said well we will have

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another

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report out in 90 days which would have

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been september 25th and of course that

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report never surfaced and now we're

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learning through john greenwald in the

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black vault that they're classifying all

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this material which means it's

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exempt from disclosure

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so our government is working to keep the

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information

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buried where classes government is

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apparently

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working to

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assist in the investigations

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wow

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interesting just one uh just one minute

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here we have

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uh let's see we have

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dave altman

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dave how are you

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hey

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anniversary

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go ahead yeah no no i just want to uh

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thank you for

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you have done um you have done a lot for

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the show uh over the years you've you've

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monitored chat which needs it sometimes

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but uh you've also connected a few

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really good guests so i really

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appreciate that

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anytime i'm glad i could help

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yeah excellent

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well well thanks for the calling you can

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hang out for a while we've got uh we've

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got someone else new i'm just going to

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say hi to

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all right i'll actually i'm going to get

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back to the chat and keep the moderating

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going all right i appreciate that dave

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take care

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and hopefully uh 10 10 more

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hey thank you thank you yeah i wouldn't

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mind doing 10 more years it's been it's

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been a blast and one of the great things

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is meeting this fellow right here

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uh dean how are you

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good i'm sorry that i was late i thought

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so but hey you know it's okay

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oh martin when what happened to martin

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hey we lost more

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well if anybody hosts a radio show oh

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too many of those here already

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never mind you know i've got other

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people on this and oh there it goes okay

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so i've got mac maloney

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mac i see her there and look we have

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chase klitsky how are you

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chase

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uh is anyone hearing me i heard you just

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fine

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uh i see that uh it doesn't seem like

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chase hears me chase do you hear me

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she she's looking no but she seems kind

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of content with what's going on she's

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very happy

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i always love to see her smile yeah yeah

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uh chase can you hear me mac maloney can

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you hear me

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oh my gosh i'm so happy to see dean

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like i haven't seen since the last

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international ufo conference so hey dean

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hey sorry we need to dump everyone it's

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just chase and i we need to talk to pet

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chop i need a minute yeah okay we need a

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minute we'll get out get a room you guys

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[Laughter]

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you look wonderful as always

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and i literally have to say

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that there's only one thing better than

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your 10-year anniversary for your show

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and that is

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we have been friends for a decade and

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you know i adore you you're one of my

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favorite podcasts um i always feel so

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honored to be with you so you know just

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congratulations well that's that's

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extremely kind of you yeah we've had uh

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you were on the show very early on right

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i guess within the first in fact i think

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in your um intro

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there's part of the our interview that

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you use in that intro and that is oh my

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god i think that's a friggin triangle

440
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yeah that was you yep

441
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hey we got uh

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we've got steve bassett but his cameras

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all mess up now steve was my number one

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first he's the only one that answered my

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emails i didn't know of you chase i

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didn't know of

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any of you any of you people matter of

448
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fact i didn't email any of you nothing

449
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against any of you but um i was looking

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uh

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freshly into the ufo topic again

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tomorrow i'm going to play the very

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first episode that i did nothing bassett

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and steve welcome

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welcome uh am i am i on your oh there i

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am hi yeah hi everybody yeah

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uh

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yeah you were the very first guest 10

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years ago tomorrow that's when it was

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yes martin and obviously

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you deserved tremendous credit for

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picking up

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the gauntlet and

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and charging forward for 10 years uh not

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everybody did that

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but you're one of many people that have

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come to me and said look i saw you way

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back or i went to a next conference or

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something and

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got me into this issue

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not that this issue needs a lot of

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a lot of boost to get involved i mean

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it's the most interesting thing in the

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world

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uh

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but you are you are now part of the the

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great

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podcast era and uh i think that

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this kind of citizen journalism is going

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to have a lot of impact on many ways uh

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and is certainly going to be a factor in

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the post-disposal world

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and at 10 years they teach you the

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secret ufo handshake so you have that

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coming

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yeah yeah yeah i i i i rarely use it but

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uh

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just just one second mac maloney can you

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hear me

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uh mac i'm terribly sorry i know you try

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to make the effort and i know you have

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to go live on your show uh coming right

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up so uh thank you for trying and

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unfortunately i'm gonna have to we have

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some people that are trying to get in

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the studio so i have to i have to uh

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boot him away and uh as i said more

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people want to come in and uh

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and chase was having trouble with her

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internet she was warned me of that so i

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had to boot her out too unfortunately

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but it was good to hear from her

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so um

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so look at this we have all these people

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are here from all over we have class

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still hanging in from sweden

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and

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although where are you these days

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stephen

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i am right now in west hollywood two

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blocks from the orphanage where marilyn

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monroe

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uh grew up or partially grew up whatever

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that whatever value that has by the way

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i want to say hello to kevin i want to

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say hello to kevin i haven't talked to

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him in a long time

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hi steven how's it going all right i'm

519
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still here man and it's getting more fun

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every year um

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so i'm splitting my time between

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washington dc and hollywood and i do

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have some announcements coming up fairly

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soon

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i'll be just about the last person i

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know who doesn't have an announcement

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everybody else has got stuff happening

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uh jimmy church has had three

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documentaries released in the last two

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months

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it's really hard to keep up and i'm not

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getting any younger

533
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yeah well i was watching something last

534
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night and you popped up and i can't

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remember what it was um it was late at

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night and i was just

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going cruising the channels on ufo

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uh videos and there's steven bassett

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well i hope i was fully clothed that's

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all i can say that time you were yes

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that was kind of my thought too that if

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it's late at night and you cruise the

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channels it may not be the most

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uplifting place to be

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yeah that's true that's true

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hey dean can you talk about anything

547
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that you are up to

548
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i didn't think so but uh um but i'll

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talk about

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i think that's kind of

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interesting to some people um so i've

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been working on

553
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i've always been kind of interested in

554
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the ufo alien phenomenon

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going back to um

556
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in search of since i was a kid and then

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i had made a film that kind of became

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this

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crossover cult thing which was uh the

560
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first time footage film but also it was

561
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a ufo abduction that i made in 89 and so

562
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,559
um alejandro uh mr gateway uh drug

563
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,240
pulled me in had me speak at the

564
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:42,400
convention and uh where i met stephen

565
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,840
bassett and you pulled me in for my

566
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,919
first one of my first podcast uh i

567
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,000
believe martin you were gentle and kind

568
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,000
and i've always appreciated that that

569
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:52,799
time yeah that was that time yeah please

570
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:55,600
denote that yeah and then um yeah and

571
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:56,480
and

572
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,000
documentary filmmaker

573
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,039
uh i got to thinking that uh

574
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,880
that there's you know something here

575
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,880
that i wanted to look at and i want to

576
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:10,240
look at it from a different perspective

577
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,200
that i hadn't seen before different

578
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,200
point of view and so unfortunately

579
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:15,280
that's where um

580
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,559
that's that's where it gets you and

581
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,559
that's where the two ropes

582
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:20,240
went around my legs and yanked me into

583
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,760
the rabbit hole so for the past four

584
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,360
years i've been working on a three-part

585
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:25,200
limited doc series

586
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:30,080
which as of uh yesterday is uh is done

587
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,679
and so um

588
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:33,120
i will be

589
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:34,080
um

590
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,159
hooking up with uh sellers and

591
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:40,720
everything and and the usual uh

592
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:41,760
gang of where we're going to be going

593
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,679
with it but um very happy with it um and

594
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,360
um you know all the people that i've met

595
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,280
at you know at the conventions and stuff

596
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,120
and also through your show where i would

597
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,240
poach many of people and alejandro

598
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:57,039
yeah i'm still waiting for that too

599
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:58,559
yeah that's coming don't worry i'm just

600
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:59,360
coming

601
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,400
and uh

602
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,400
so uh yeah so after four years i'm kind

603
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,320
of getting a little bit out of ufo alien

604
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,200
jail as a filmmaker but as you know it

605
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:10,159
never really leaves you so um yeah but

606
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,840
i'm really excited to share that and um

607
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,360
uh you know it's been great because it's

608
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,280
a really strong you know community of

609
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,159
filmmakers as well i consulted on james

610
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,559
fox's the phenomenon and

611
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,440
and uh gotta hang with that uh jeremy

612
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,840
corbell and and there's a few of us

613
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:29,280
there's actually more of a few of us and

614
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,799
there's other voices come in which is

615
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:32,720
great um i'm hoping there would be more

616
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:35,520
female directors because we need that as

617
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:38,559
well and so um distinctive voices so

618
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:40,880
anyway um that's what i've been uh

619
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,520
working at and um the adrenaline that

620
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,880
i've been on for the past four years and

621
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,080
you guys have been on much longer than

622
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:48,480
me kevin one of the first early books

623
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,919
that i read that i put a pin in i was

624
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,840
like okay

625
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,600
now there's something here that i really

626
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:55,840
have to pay close attention to

627
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,279
uh with ufo crash roswell so um it's

628
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:01,120
it's great to meet all your people and

629
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,240
be able to

630
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,039
to um you know kind of navigate in this

631
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,679
fantastic wondrous world and realize how

632
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,919
little i actually know about everything

633
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,240
which is what happens the byproduct of

634
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,600
being in this space

635
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,880
yeah i wanted to thank you for

636
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,159
mentioning my blog a different

637
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,760
perspective when you said you came into

638
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,279
it from a different perspective so i

639
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,080
appreciated that nice nicely done kevin

640
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,600
thank you very much

641
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:26,000
that was that was really smooth yeah and

642
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,520
by the way uh kevin your blog really has

643
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,840
helped me a lot over all these 10 years

644
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,679
because a lot of times i'll start to

645
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,360
look into something and i'll

646
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,480
have that

647
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,240
gut feeling that there may be an issue

648
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,559
with a certain case and sure enough i

649
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,799
find it on your blog and you explain you

650
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:44,880
know usually the problems with some of

651
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,919
these things so uh go ahead throw it out

652
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,080
there so the person looking the new

653
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,159
person looking into this subject does

654
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:53,919
not get led astray

655
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,710
www.kevinrandall.blogspot.com it's

656
00:25:00,870 --> 00:25:00,000
called a different perspective and i

657
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,880
think if you type a different

658
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,880
perspective into into google you it

659
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,480
comes up uh

660
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,159
fairly certain and i've looked at an

661
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,960
awful lot of things through the uh

662
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,600
ufo cases a lot of ufo cases but i also

663
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,960
delved a little bit into some of the

664
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,960
very treasure stories that they were

665
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,120
broadcasting on tv and

666
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:19,120
who was able to uh talk to some of the

667
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,640
people who were on those shows and were

668
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,400
telling me how it was all scripted and

669
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,760
it wasn't really a search for the

670
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,520
treasure and i thought this is great

671
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,960
stuff i wonder if they're going to be

672
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,559
invited back to be on the show next

673
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,000
season because

674
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:32,000
of what they were telling me so it's

675
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,039
it's

676
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:35,600
now mainly deals with ufos and i haven't

677
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:37,250
gotten away from that too much in the

678
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,960
[Music]

679
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,400
recent past

680
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:41,760
well um

681
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:42,559
i

682
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:54,880
pretty well for uh

683
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,760
for that and um you know and

684
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:59,120
you know i don't want to talk anyone

685
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:00,559
down on the show i don't really like to

686
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,600
do that but um you know billy myers

687
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,600
images if people are new looking into

688
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,720
this subject they're going to think

689
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,720
there's you know that's all real stuff

690
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:10,799
and you know it's

691
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:11,840
it's not

692
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,960
so um in in and michael horn is his

693
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,039
representative in the united states and

694
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,279
and backs him up with all the gusto you

695
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,240
can imagine i think gusto is the kind of

696
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,320
the wrong word to use because he gets

697
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,919
very nasty

698
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:28,000
he did get a little bit and you i think

699
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,360
you did uh

700
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,760
spark a little bit of uh anger during

701
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,679
the interview but you you held on you

702
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,760
did a good job that was good well the

703
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,840
only i only have done one interview

704
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,080
where i've really gone after the

705
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:43,200
guest and it was because he had been

706
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,320
he had written a book and said that i

707
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,640
was a shell for the air force he'd been

708
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:47,840
on

709
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,240
saying the same thing so i invited him

710
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,880
on my show and i was well who told you i

711
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,400
was a shill for the air force well i

712
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,240
can't tell you that well what's his name

713
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,919
i mean you're accusing me of this you've

714
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,360
got to have some evidence and he finally

715
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,400
ended up saying no comment no comment

716
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:07,279
and i would keep asking questions be no

717
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,720
comment and then he finally hung up on

718
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,080
me and i thought this is great that's

719
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,760
exactly what i wanted to happen was him

720
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,679
to get so angry and hang up

721
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,679
yeah yeah

722
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:18,000
kevin i should say that um

723
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,360
i very much appreciate what you're

724
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,880
writing and uh

725
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,880
there are two very much level-headed

726
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,200
blogs that i read and that is the

727
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,840
doctor david clarke and and your blog

728
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,760
well i i can i can go back and say the

729
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,279
same thing to you because i look for

730
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,960
when i'm doing something that deals with

731
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,720
sweden or the ghost rockets or something

732
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,159
like that i always look for what you've

733
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,600
written and what you've produced on it

734
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,960
because i figure

735
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,120
it's the best information available at

736
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,440
the time so i appreciate the great work

737
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,279
you've done there in sweden

738
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,960
thanks and we also keep got a lot of

739
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:49,679
billy mayer material in afu

740
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,559
we have the lots of wendell stevens uh

741
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:54,799
billy mayer material

742
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:57,520
and a lot of original stuff from billy

743
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,399
mayer

744
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,159
to tell you a few

745
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:02,240
so you have not impressed by it i should

746
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,960
say

747
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,880
yeah um so

748
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,559
i kind of backed into the billy myers

749
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,360
stuff by mistake because um

750
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,520
mufon was having a a

751
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:12,720
one of the symposiums and they were

752
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,279
inviting biting all these people these

753
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,600
people with strange stories to be there

754
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,520
and michael horn had said something

755
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:21,360
about billy meyer not being invited and

756
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,880
i said well if you're going to look at

757
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,320
this stuff and you want everybody to

758
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,919
make up their own mind why haven't you

759
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,600
invited billy meyer

760
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,240
and then i i also said but please don't

761
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,919
understand i don't accept the billy

762
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,840
myers stuff and then michael horn went

763
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,120
nuts

764
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,279
and and i said my comment was very

765
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,640
benign that i'd said you know i just

766
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:40,159
don't subscribe to the billy horton

767
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:41,360
stuff and i said well then

768
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,039
let me clarify my point of view i think

769
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,960
it's a complete and total hoax

770
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:47,520
you really went nuts so

771
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,559
i um

772
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,960
went after i had made my my uh film

773
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,480
called uh ufo abduction and now it's

774
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,559
called the mcpherson tape um i got a

775
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,240
call from the producer who entered me

776
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:59,200
from this fox um show called encounters

777
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,000
and

778
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,399
he said i have this footage

779
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,640
and he started describing the footage

780
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,880
and not even seen it but just describing

781
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,880
it later on i i saw some of it and he

782
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,039
said you know it's it's about this

783
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,799
autopsy

784
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,480
from roswell

785
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,520
and i said i'm telling you right now

786
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:19,120
this is [\h__\h]

787
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:20,399
and he said

788
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,520
he said

789
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:22,880
it probably is but i'm going to make a

790
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:25,520
lot of money at it

791
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,399
so

792
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,279
everything kind of comes back to that i

793
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,200
think i'm the only filmmaker who debunks

794
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,520
their own movies um

795
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,840
there's you know there's a i want to

796
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,919
call unexpected the unexpected uh it's a

797
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,559
uk podcaster um

798
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,360
and um he's great got it has a great

799
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,880
voice and he was trying to tell me

800
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,320
that's your mission is to go out and

801
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,480
debunk and for me i kind of look at it

802
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,720
this way um i go to comic con and stuff

803
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,440
and i look at the fans and

804
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,039
and you can get frustrated certainly

805
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,720
with with the way that some of the

806
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,440
people are kind of leading them into the

807
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:01,600
strange and things that have no basis on

808
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,559
reality

809
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,320
but they're also really enjoying it so

810
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:06,320
it's kind of like not cosplay but it's

811
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,760
kind of like that so you kind of have to

812
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,000
straddle where yes it's fascinating it's

813
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,840
it's fun it's interesting but then

814
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,200
there's the section of us that are

815
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,600
trying to actually disseminate something

816
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,760
and get to anything that's resembling a

817
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,000
truth or to just do research and track

818
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,039
down commonalities and so i i think

819
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:25,279
maybe there's a place where everyone you

820
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,640
know a spectrum

821
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:29,520
if you will um you know myers and stuff

822
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,320
um

823
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:32,559
you know has its place on one end of the

824
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,760
spectrum

825
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,120
and everything without throwing my hat

826
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:37,919
into the controversy but um

827
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,240
yeah i mean it it's tough because as me

828
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,320
as a filmmaker i can see when it's fake

829
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,919
when something's coming out it's pretty

830
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,320
evident and so um

831
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,000
you know no one wants to be mr killjoy

832
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,440
but at the end you know if someone's

833
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,360
asking me i'm i have no problem telling

834
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,720
them as i'm sure

835
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,080
you guys uh

836
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,080
do but you know it's it's it attracts

837
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,159
everything it's it's kind of a microcosm

838
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,960
of of society if you will right we have

839
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,880
a new person and i'm going to put

840
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,799
kathleen martin up in just one second

841
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:06,320
but uh

842
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,679
yours your story dean is so funny

843
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,360
because you made this

844
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,320
this movie of an abduction and a family

845
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,080
involved and everything and then when

846
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,000
you're telling people out there this was

847
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,720
my film it wasn't a lost you know i mean

848
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:23,440
a found footage thing this is my film i

849
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:24,480
made it

850
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,600
and uh

851
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,120
people don't believe you they're saying

852
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:30,080
no i know that family i mean it's crazy

853
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,440
thank

854
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:32,880
been accused of working for the

855
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,559
government and um a couple times and um

856
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,919
i i don't

857
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:39,600
unfortunately don't have the paycheck

858
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,320
stubs to prove it but um yeah you kind

859
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,880
of get you know thrown into that and uh

860
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,559
it's humorous and i you know i don't

861
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:48,080
take myself seriously i take my work

862
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:50,240
seriously and i sense that the nicest

863
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,279
people that i've met have actually been

864
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,559
in this community

865
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:54,640
they're you know they're smart clever

866
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,519
and funny and affable no one is so rigid

867
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,880
that things are breaking the people that

868
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:00,480
are like you know you guys and

869
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,760
everything so it's

870
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,679
you know it was one of the things i

871
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,360
learned once i started working within

872
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,519
you well dean you know that you've made

873
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,960
it in the ufo community when you're

874
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,960
accused of being a government agent

875
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:12,799
yeah that's right

876
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,679
that hasn't happened yet

877
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:17,760
is it okay i see the question real quick

878
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:21,039
yeah yeah i just have to say this um

879
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,559
someone who's been in a while is going

880
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,320
to have to other people trying to get in

881
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,159
if someone could drop out

882
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,720
i've got things i've got to do

883
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,720
congratulations on your

884
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,200
hi hi jennifer uh congratulations on

885
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,679
your 10th anniversary and uh i'll be

886
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,840
listening to more of your shows and and

887
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,080
hitting you up for guests periodically

888
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,480
you bet yes always always kevin take

889
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:43,840
care thank you

890
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,159
all right and i i should go soon as well

891
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,799
and i say hi to kathleen and jennifer

892
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,120
nice to see you well thank you very much

893
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:53,519
thank you i can stay for

894
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,590
so i just want to jennifer i'll be

895
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:01,360
talking in just a second but i i want to

896
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,159
say

897
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,320
um hi to kathleen

898
00:33:07,870 --> 00:33:06,000
kathleen how are you

899
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,880
i'm doing well thank you and

900
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,640
congratulations on 10 years

901
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,559
thank you kathleen i think you were like

902
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,399
my fifth guest

903
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,799
you were very early on right after stan

904
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:17,919
friedman

905
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,559
and uh the only reason you said who is

906
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:23,279
this guy and but stan said he's okay

907
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,880
so so anyway that was uh that was nice i

908
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,720
remember i went right to your house

909
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:30,720
yes you went to my father's home in

910
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:33,760
march massachusetts that's right that's

911
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:36,240
right i was there for the summer

912
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,600
right right

913
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,760
so kathy it's always it's always great

914
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:41,039
to have you on the show i've always

915
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:42,080
enjoyed

916
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,120
uh

917
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,200
when you've been on and i just have to i

918
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,200
have to bring in one other guest here we

919
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,880
have a lot of people trying to get in

920
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,799
all the same time

921
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:53,519
and uh let's see we we have someone

922
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,720
calling too wow uh anyway i just want to

923
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,679
bring in

924
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:59,279
quickly jennifer i'll get you in just a

925
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:00,559
minute

926
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,760
but uh i want to say hi to this guy

927
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,480
because scott

928
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,480
let me put you up here scott uh let's

929
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:13,109
i'm gonna get scott was

930
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,919
the

931
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,320
very first listener

932
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:19,440
he he caught you contacted me on show

933
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:20,480
number two

934
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,679
yeah

935
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,960
martin like

936
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:25,200
i instantaneously fell in love with the

937
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:26,320
show like

938
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:29,760
right off the bat and like i i i

939
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,879
i've always loved your show and i i

940
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,119
don't i've followed along i've donated

941
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,599
i've been a huge supporter and

942
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:39,760
like to me like when i found you 10

943
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,200
years ago you like totally blew my mind

944
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,960
and to be in

945
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,480
this chat right now with all these

946
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:48,960
people is

947
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:51,679
i don't even know what to say

948
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,800
well hey cl class um we have uh john

949
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,240
greenwald trying to get in do you mind

950
00:35:08,390 --> 00:34:58,960
dropping out i just not to just show one

951
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:10,630
my aunt at her house yeah

952
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,880
i took it when i met her in the 1980s

953
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,560
there is a little better

954
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,359
she was so nice to me and we spent a

955
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:22,320
full day together

956
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:31,109
yeah well it was a memory for life

957
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,800
thank you for showing that to me

958
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,640
thank you guys and good luck with the

959
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:41,030
thank you so much

960
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:49,190
can i mention something here i got a

961
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:50,400
question

962
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,839
if if scotty was your first listener and

963
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,480
he contacted you on the second show

964
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,240
does that mean since i was the first

965
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,320
show there were zero listeners on that

966
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,270
oh sure

967
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,760
that could be yeah no he went back and

968
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,400
listened to the archive of one yeah

969
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,480
yeah thank god for archives thank you

970
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,760
god

971
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,440
that's right that's right i do want to

972
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,920
say ralph bloomfall who was up earlier

973
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,240
uh unfortunately i've tried it um his

974
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,240
camera wasn't on so i didn't pull him in

975
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,480
but ralph wishes us uh all the best

976
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,640
sorry he couldn't he was on for a minute

977
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,599
but uh

978
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,160
but his camera wasn't wasn't there but

979
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,560
uh look who's here jennifer i have not

980
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,800
forgot you uh

981
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:37,040
but uh and i guess you're done

982
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,560
welcome to the show

983
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,480
hey how are you let me position the

984
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,320
screen better there hey how are you

985
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,040
congratulations well thank you john

986
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,040
you're very welcome good to see so many

987
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,800
familiar faces here

988
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,640
i know this is great and um thank you

989
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,240
for your persistence trying to get in i

990
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:54,000
saw you were trying to get in and and

991
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,119
couldn't

992
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:57,040
oh yeah no no problem and i'm sorry if

993
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,960
it notified you every time i just wanted

994
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:00,880
to make sure you uh

995
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,599
uh didn't think i forgot yeah yeah i

996
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:05,280
know you're a busy guy

997
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,640
so uh and you've done a lot uh you've

998
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,240
done a lot of great things john i want

999
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,640
to thank you for all you have done

1000
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,800
and uh you know i remember

1001
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,440
i asked stan i'm gonna give you some

1002
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,280
praise here because i asked stan freeman

1003
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,280
i told you this when i met you i said

1004
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,920
who's the next stan freeman and he said

1005
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:26,000
john greenwald

1006
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:27,200
stan said

1007
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:28,240
yeah

1008
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,720
his research ability friendship i knew

1009
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,040
him more than 20 years and

1010
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,640
you know going back to when i first

1011
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,880
started when i was 15

1012
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,800
with the black vault but then you know

1013
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,119
writing people and stan was the only

1014
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,359
literally the only one at the time that

1015
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,200
i had written two that wrote back and he

1016
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,599
sent me these documents i just missed

1017
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,280
that you know there's there's something

1018
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,560
about that

1019
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,000
man that

1020
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,320
is kind of absent in this field today

1021
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,560
you know and and you see social

1022
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:04,560
media and the way the interaction has

1023
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,079
turned and then you look at some of the

1024
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,079
older videos of stan debating some of

1025
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,079
the bigger skeptic names and debunkers

1026
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,400
and stuff like that and you see that

1027
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,920
although he would get heated from time

1028
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:15,920
to time he was a gentleman i mean he

1029
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,079
really was and i i truly do miss him

1030
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,240
yes yeah i think we all miss him and and

1031
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,960
kathy the most kathy was uh very very

1032
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,760
close

1033
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,880
um

1034
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,119
kathy it's uh when i go into a

1035
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,560
conference and i don't see you sitting

1036
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:33,280
next to stan it's kind of sad every time

1037
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:34,880
it was such a wonderful thing to see you

1038
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:37,599
too you did so many conferences together

1039
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,720
yes we did and you know i i miss that as

1040
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,560
well

1041
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:44,720
my husband is going with me frequently

1042
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,000
now but i miss having stan next to me

1043
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:49,920
yeah there were quite a few conferences

1044
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,720
i got to sit next to both kathy and stan

1045
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,079
at the conferences and those were a lot

1046
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:56,160
of fun when i'd have the table right

1047
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,680
next to them and

1048
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,240
had a lot of good good times

1049
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,760
yeah yeah so hey scott just real quick

1050
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,920
because i'm people are trying to get in

1051
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:07,440
and um

1052
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,280
what's that you do a podcast on beards

1053
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:13,520
and um yeah it's called can you see your

1054
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,760
whole beard by the way

1055
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,599
talking talking beards is the show i do

1056
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,400
and in fact we tonight it starts at uh

1057
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,280
it's at eight p.m eastern talking beards

1058
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,040
uh you can find out your beer is

1059
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,200
completely gone

1060
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,040
oddly enough like

1061
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,880
you're and i and i want to say this

1062
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,760
because i

1063
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:33,520
it's been a while since you and i talked

1064
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,560
but

1065
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,040
you definitely really pushed me to get

1066
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,000
into podcasting like i was on the fence

1067
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,720
and like just following your show

1068
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,640
and getting so into it and getting so

1069
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,480
excited every thursday morning when you

1070
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,160
used to release your shows

1071
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,920
like i'm like all i want to do is

1072
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,839
podcast just like martin

1073
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:54,240
like your show really inspired me to

1074
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,200
like

1075
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,359
get going so it's been five years since

1076
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,200
we started the show talking beards and

1077
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,000
basically what our show is about is

1078
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,160
i mean obviously i have a beard but uh

1079
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,319
we cover all these different charity

1080
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,560
events that go on all across the country

1081
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:10,720
every weekend and we have different

1082
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,079
guests on talking about uh

1083
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,240
different things that they're doing with

1084
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,480
the world of facial hair like

1085
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,200
and you know so but i'm

1086
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,720
rolling it back though i definitely want

1087
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,040
to thank you very much for being a great

1088
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,960
inspiration and congratulations to you

1089
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,280
for 10 years and i know you have so many

1090
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,520
more important guests than me that i

1091
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:33,040
just i want to get out of here but i

1092
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,880
want to thank you so much for asking me

1093
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,800
to be on and

1094
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,800
thank you scott martin you know where

1095
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,400
would i be without people like you

1096
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,119
listening to the show so i owe you a lot

1097
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,200
of gratitude thank you so much thank you

1098
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:47,040
very much martin and thank you everyone

1099
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,880
for uh tuning in tonight

1100
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,119
all right thank you take care

1101
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,040
i remember scott sent me a picture of

1102
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,599
him and stan friedman together standing

1103
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,800
side by side

1104
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,480
that was a fun night

1105
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,839
yeah

1106
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,200
all right scott take care all right

1107
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:03,599
thanks martin all right bye

1108
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,280
all right so let's see we have oh wait i

1109
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,200
haven't spoken to jennifer stein yet

1110
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:11,359
hang in there jordan jennifer you have

1111
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:15,119
female directors filmmakers yeah

1112
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,560
dean

1113
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,200
earlier so um you may wanna someone's

1114
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,760
mic is feeding back here so you may want

1115
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:23,599
to try to if you can remember to mute

1116
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,000
your mics and then um you can see that

1117
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,960
right down on the down on the right

1118
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,960
okay so

1119
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:32,400
anyway um

1120
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,520
jennifer

1121
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,520
uh dean was talking earlier there's

1122
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,680
they're too bad there's not more female

1123
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,680
filmmakers in it and you have on wings

1124
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,200
productions right

1125
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:43,920
yes that's right yes done a couple of

1126
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,720
productions um one actually you know

1127
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,880
very close closely connected with steve

1128
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,119
i feel like this is the hall of fame of

1129
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,119
ufology and you're right at the center

1130
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,280
of it martin so congratulations and look

1131
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,599
at all your wonderful guests i you know

1132
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,680
i think we can look back on disclosure

1133
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,280
and say if all of us weren't you know

1134
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,720
beating the table

1135
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,440
for a long time like steve and like you

1136
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,359
and like kathleen and you know many

1137
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,599
others i know everyone here john except

1138
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,680
um i don't know luis so it's a pleasure

1139
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,000
to meet you

1140
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,119
oh yes he's actually helped a lot the

1141
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,960
the pleasure is all mine

1142
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:19,760
yeah

1143
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,440
the unidentified celebrity review that's

1144
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,520
that's uh did i say it right that time

1145
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,359
you did yeah i have a very tiny show

1146
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:28,880
it's very insignificant but it's a lot

1147
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,349
and i i also don't know jordan is it

1148
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,400
bonaparte yeah jordan jordan has the

1149
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,280
nighttime podcast up in nova scotia

1150
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,200
welcome to the show jordan uh happy to

1151
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,280
be here happy to meet you jennifer great

1152
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,800
to see american congratulations but

1153
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:48,319
we'll get to that if you're still

1154
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,760
talking to jennifer

1155
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,359
that's that's great you know there was

1156
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,280
uh the travis film was part of that

1157
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,760
great tour that chris russock ran across

1158
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:57,680
canada which i think started in nova

1159
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,480
scotia

1160
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,960
and then went to fredericton and then

1161
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:03,040
went to toronto and

1162
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,640
um

1163
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,480
and and montreal and eventually ended up

1164
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,079
in vancouver i don't know if you were

1165
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,000
part of that or if you were on the ufo

1166
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,720
scene about five years ago five or six

1167
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,319
years ago but it was really a great tour

1168
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,760
across canada

1169
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:17,200
lovely

1170
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,880
now i do i do want to say to everyone

1171
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,640
that's on this show if you have

1172
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,960
somewhere to go just speak up and then

1173
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,200
say say goodbye to us just so we you

1174
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:26,560
know because i know a lot of people only

1175
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,680
have a few minutes and so um if that

1176
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,680
happens but you're welcome to hang out

1177
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,920
i'll let you know when someone

1178
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,680
probably should drop out because it'll

1179
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,359
uh it'll let me know when someone's

1180
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,599
trying to get in but uh we have san

1181
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,640
maranto just popped in oh that's cool

1182
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,240
that's wonderful to talk to everyone

1183
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:45,920
jordan let me just talk i i didn't

1184
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,640
really talk to you but uh but anyway

1185
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,520
jennifer thank you and jordan so you're

1186
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,800
up we met up at shag harbor uh what i

1187
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:56,800
mean is that four years ago now

1188
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,520
time kind of flies uh in a weird way

1189
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,440
since the pandemic began so it was about

1190
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,760
one lifetime ago i would say you came to

1191
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,160
nova scotia to uh

1192
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,079
we did a live podcast thing from the

1193
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:10,000
shag harbor ufo festival so that's where

1194
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,440
we met in person but um like many other

1195
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:15,280
viewers of your show here you're like an

1196
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,720
old friend of mine you just didn't know

1197
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,200
it yet i've been listening and watching

1198
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,599
along with your show for ages before

1199
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,720
having the

1200
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:25,119
pleasure of meeting you but um that's

1201
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,480
where we met but martin i want to start

1202
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,319
by just saying congratulations on 10

1203
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,880
years so many people will will start

1204
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,920
this kind of venture and give up after i

1205
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,599
mean some don't even make an episode so

1206
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,760
i'm just kind of make up an artwork a

1207
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,760
twitter page and maybe a patreon but

1208
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,599
don't actually release anything uh

1209
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,960
you've been uh

1210
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,240
10 years

1211
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,880
going hard and regularly too so that's

1212
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,440
that's an amazing achievement you you're

1213
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,079
truly a trailblazer specifically in the

1214
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,040
ufo paranormal kind of space so i'm

1215
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,599
proud to call you a friend and i'm

1216
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,359
proud to uh

1217
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,200
know that i'll be here for your next 10

1218
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,920
years so congratulations well thanks so

1219
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,920
much i i think sometimes i'm just

1220
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,680
probably not smart enough to quit maybe

1221
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,000
that that sort of thing well

1222
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,680
it takes some for some people it's

1223
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,920
passion for some it's stupidity you're

1224
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,240
probably somewhere in the middle so yeah

1225
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:18,079
that's right i'm lucky to have you

1226
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,359
regardless

1227
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,040
i'm gonna take up but i do want to say

1228
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,280
um that there was something that martin

1229
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,079
did when the pandemic hit which totally

1230
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:28,160
exemplifies who martin is

1231
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:28,960
um

1232
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:33,440
it's one of the good stories not one of

1233
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,119
the bads um and so uh martin said i'm

1234
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:39,599
i'm getting requests because people are

1235
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,440
isolated to do more podcasts oh yeah so

1236
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,440
i'm like so hammered with all the work

1237
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,480
that i'm doing

1238
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,079
you know which you've you've talked

1239
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,720
about it uh many times and that takes i

1240
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:52,000
know it takes a lot where you're flying

1241
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,680
you're on the road traveling and you're

1242
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,839
like but i need i feel like i need to do

1243
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,319
this and i said dude i need my nightly

1244
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,119
xanax no i didn't say it i need

1245
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:03,599
your voice which is like nightly xanax

1246
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,400
um

1247
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,720
to to you know to keep people going and

1248
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:09,280
and keep us having something to to

1249
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,480
escape

1250
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,960
and and to like delve into and so thank

1251
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,560
you for meeting the challenge and doing

1252
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,240
that um i know it was greatly

1253
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,720
appreciated and uh i look forward i'm

1254
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,240
really honored to be part of this fold

1255
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:22,160
as well and i look forward to another 10

1256
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,520
years as well

1257
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,760
thank you now

1258
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,839
all right team sign off my friend

1259
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,599
that was very kind of you dean take care

1260
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,119
we'll talk about you guys

1261
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,520
all right bye-bye bye

1262
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:34,880
bye uh

1263
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,599
sam i'm gonna bring sam moranto

1264
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,319
welcome sam i am privileged to be here

1265
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,319
amongst all these wonderful people some

1266
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,960
of them are considerate friends and some

1267
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,839
of you

1268
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,079
uh probably say oh that damn sammy's

1269
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,560
here but they doing but uh

1270
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:52,079
god i remember

1271
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,599
we go back some ways don't we huh

1272
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,240
you you were one of the in

1273
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:01,200
maybe the second year i was doing this

1274
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:01,920
yes

1275
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,760
i was interested in chicago um the tin

1276
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,920
leap is it tinley park the tinley park

1277
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,480
case yes yeah that's a mass sighting

1278
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,960
that's very interesting and that's how i

1279
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,319
i think i found you and you were

1280
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:15,920
involved with mufon out there and all

1281
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,319
that at that time yes

1282
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,079
and uh we got to be friends for the

1283
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,040
years uh yep we visited a few times and

1284
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,359
oh yeah i know what cracks me up i'm

1285
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,160
looking at people here jennifer and

1286
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,000
steve bassett i remember calling before

1287
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,079
man up at three o'clock in the morning

1288
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,240
in in paris and he goes sam it's three

1289
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,280
o'clock a.m i'm like well i'll call you

1290
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,520
later

1291
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,119
oh gosh then

1292
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:43,280
we'll always have paris sam yes how

1293
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,240
about it

1294
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,599
mr greenwald my gosh i we've seen this

1295
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:50,319
guy come up that's what you're 16 years

1296
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,200
old

1297
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,040
yeah it's been a while

1298
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,200
decade decades ago let's not remember

1299
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,119
that and we always had a good time we

1300
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,800
got to see each other at conferences

1301
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:00,960
which is rare but we always have a good

1302
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,520
time yeah i miss those miss those days

1303
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,359
when we saw each other much more often

1304
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,800
oh gosh yes

1305
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:09,200
jennifer thank you so much for being a

1306
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,400
part of

1307
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:12,800
so many things that we've done together

1308
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,319
oh gosh you got some monster names here

1309
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,280
jordan what a magnificent person saying

1310
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,520
such wonderful things about somebody who

1311
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:23,760
i truly dearly love

1312
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:26,800
that i consider part of my family

1313
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,079
martin ten more years would be the least

1314
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:31,920
i'd love to see you in this

1315
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,559
uh keep on going forever i think i have

1316
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,200
a chicken sandwich sitting out here so

1317
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,000
uh i am gonna listen to it but i i'm not

1318
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:42,880
gonna take too much uh facial

1319
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:46,160
space space here and uh just keep going

1320
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,800
everybody keep the spirit of of anything

1321
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,200
the community we are human i think so

1322
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,119
much as i always say when i give

1323
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,599
presentations the phenomena is more

1324
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,440
about us it's who we are what we are and

1325
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,400
why we are and we can never forget that

1326
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,280
i think we need more than ever this time

1327
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:08,000
to be a community that's very close

1328
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:09,119
and

1329
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:13,760
let's start getting people to act a

1330
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,800
little more human mark thank you so much

1331
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,640
thank you sam all right thanks a lot

1332
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,400
thank you very much sam thank you mark

1333
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,920
martin i need to go i want to make a

1334
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,520
couple quick comments before i go yeah

1335
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,079
sure go ahead okay go ahead stephen john

1336
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,839
uh you've reminded me i've got to get a

1337
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,280
bigger mic

1338
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,880
and paul

1339
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,319
uh you've reminded me that i've got to

1340
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,480
get some plaques up on my wall okay i

1341
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,640
don't get any plaques that's no good

1342
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:38,960
and jordan uh

1343
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:41,680
is that is that a cgi background behind

1344
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,079
you or is that your actual bedroom this

1345
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,640
is uh that well i i call it my

1346
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:49,200
studio slash spare bedroom and not the

1347
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:54,870
that is very cool

1348
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,920
way cool and somewhat weird but this is

1349
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,280
good

1350
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,119
that's that's what i like

1351
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,920
yeah jen love you bye all right bye

1352
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,920
stephen take care all right bye stephen

1353
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:07,839
all right right now i'd like to we have

1354
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,880
we've had this gentleman on hold uh for

1355
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,800
quite a while and i'd like to bring him

1356
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,640
in and uh we've had a couple of people

1357
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,359
pop in uh paulino and uh peter robbins

1358
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:19,280
will be getting to you in just a second

1359
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,559
so uh but first of all on the line we

1360
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,400
have uh

1361
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:26,960
richard is richard there

1362
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:29,680
richard cutting yes

1363
00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:37,030
richard can you talk a little louder

1364
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,950
yeah sure is that better yeah that is

1365
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,680
better richard uh a number of people may

1366
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,599
not know who you are but you had this

1367
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,520
great series you were early on my show

1368
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:47,520
and that's why i wanted to invite you uh

1369
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,960
to come on um um but you had this series

1370
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,920
called

1371
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,520
um

1372
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:55,119
it was milgram and the fast walkers

1373
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:56,960
right

1374
00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,760
correct yes yes

1375
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,160
and uh and that that was that was very

1376
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,109
yeah and we it's now out on pbtv on roku

1377
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,040
and it's on amazon and you can watch the

1378
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,119
whole thing it's now cut as two

1379
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,760
feature-length films so um

1380
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,000
you know i i'm so thankful that you

1381
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,480
invited me martin because in those early

1382
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,720
days you know so many things have

1383
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,880
happened you know more disclosure in the

1384
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:25,920
navy

1385
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,680
footage and so much

1386
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,160
uh in in the real heart world of

1387
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:32,559
investigatory ufology and you were so

1388
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,160
kind at the time

1389
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,040
to bring me on as a you know dramatic

1390
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,520
filmmaker at a time when

1391
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,599
we were sort of at a low point for

1392
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,240
dramatic programming on the ufo issue

1393
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,559
and you know i was investigating sort of

1394
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:47,920
the john mack

1395
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,240
psychiatrist as investigator looking at

1396
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,400
the abduction issue and

1397
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,400
your your show prep and your

1398
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,119
consideration of our storyline was is

1399
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,680
really terrific and i i i've always

1400
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,319
cited your show as veto to watch because

1401
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,720
of the breadth of your your guests and

1402
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,960
their expertise and their articulation

1403
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,200
and certainly their commitment so

1404
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,760
um kudos to you on 10 years martin it's

1405
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,760
just wonderful what you do

1406
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,160
well thank you so much i remember when

1407
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:18,160
you uh you contacted me you were

1408
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,520
listening to the show and you're trying

1409
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:20,880
to get i think you're trying to get

1410
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,359
ideas or something but anyway thank you

1411
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,880
for your kind words it's very nice to

1412
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:30,069
yes yes i i can't tell you the world has

1413
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,319
changed so much as your guest no better

1414
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:34,400
than i do but um

1415
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,760
uh you know

1416
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:37,680
now the world of abduction which was

1417
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,400
pretty obscure um and i go back to the

1418
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,040
bud hopkins and john mack days knowing

1419
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,680
have both of those guys and i

1420
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,480
says gee i wish those guys were alive to

1421
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,599
enjoy you know the smorgasbord of

1422
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,200
offerings that you put out every week

1423
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,520
and your show prep is great you're an

1424
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:57,359
incredible researcher and you go to

1425
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,160
places like russia and do that too so

1426
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,720
you know you're not a normal show in

1427
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,720
this world and it's very well produced

1428
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:07,040
so i thank you for what you do martin

1429
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,559
well thank you a little side note there

1430
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,400
i won't be going to russia anymore but

1431
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:11,920
but thank you anyway

1432
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:14,640
all right take care

1433
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,680
all right

1434
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:17,119
thank you richard

1435
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:18,079
all right

1436
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,280
but he popped out i just text him

1437
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:23,040
wondering what's going on but let's see

1438
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,559
who popped in i

1439
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,640
you got to run i'm going to drop off

1440
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,480
because i'm running a mainline mufon

1441
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,640
program tonight i think it's right

1442
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,280
19th their 20th year something like that

1443
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:35,359
so i've got a program so i'm going to

1444
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:38,640
pop on that but hi to lee hi to peter

1445
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,119
i've just texted mr walton for you he'll

1446
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:43,040
be joining you shortly

1447
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,760
so

1448
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,280
hop off and make room for him but

1449
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,119
congratulations martin you're really

1450
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,079
changing the world um you know it's

1451
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,839
and i'm grateful to know you and i've

1452
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:53,359
worked with you and look forward to

1453
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,280
doing more shows with you all right

1454
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,440
jennifer take care thank you all right

1455
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,880
thanks a lot bye

1456
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,040
i know uh leah i'll get to you in a

1457
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,359
minute but i have to i have two people

1458
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:04,800
that came and i haven't even talked to

1459
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:09,040
yet um and that is uh paul eno paul and

1460
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:10,720
then peter robbins and then i'll get to

1461
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,520
you lee so hang in there uh

1462
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:15,599
paul eno how are you

1463
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,480
oh better than nothing i remember

1464
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:20,960
i certainly wanted to congratulate you

1465
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:23,440
uh martin on the 10 years on the air i

1466
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:26,000
think i first met you my son ben and i

1467
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:27,280
first bet you

1468
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,079
at the uh one of the early um

1469
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,559
greater new england ufo conferences

1470
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,640
and they had the stashed us sort of up

1471
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:37,440
in the upper part of the town hall to uh

1472
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:40,240
interview guests and we were you came in

1473
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,599
and set up your equipment and we never

1474
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,200
met you before

1475
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:45,839
and it was um interesting because we

1476
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:48,400
were still associated with cbs radio and

1477
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,000
you had better equipment than we did

1478
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,599
yeah that was the beginning of our

1479
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,119
relationship and then i remember again

1480
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,119
being on your show a few years ago when

1481
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:59,040
you very kindly i'm still trying to

1482
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,400
figure out why

1483
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,440
uh let me use your your uh your guest

1484
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:05,920
house in maine for

1485
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,319
several days and i i showed up

1486
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:10,240
just the opposite of the atari mooring

1487
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:13,040
tonight uh in a tie and you said oh my

1488
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:16,160
gosh i better put on a tie too

1489
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:18,799
and then we talked with um

1490
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,920
luminaries such as alejandra rojas and

1491
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,680
we did it we had a fun show so

1492
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,119
congratulations

1493
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,119
well thank you so much alejandro was

1494
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,359
supposed to show up uh

1495
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,040
almost an hour ago i'm not sure exactly

1496
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:33,040
what happened knowing him was probably

1497
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,400
abducted

1498
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,119
yeah it could be could be and your show

1499
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:39,040
you you've been at it a lot longer than

1500
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,640
10 years right

1501
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,280
well we're going on 14 and then time

1502
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:45,359
flies when you're having fun

1503
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:48,319
yeah i say the same thing i mean i i

1504
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,559
just feel like where has this 10 years

1505
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,799
gone it's just amazing

1506
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,400
so fast

1507
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:56,079
well it's funny that we have people who

1508
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,200
tell us that

1509
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:59,359
they listen to my son

1510
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,319
grow up on the air that's right starting

1511
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,880
when he was 16 so now he's an old

1512
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:07,200
married guy and a homeowner and uh you

1513
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:08,559
know the same problems with the rest of

1514
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,470
yeah that's always anyway yeah it's

1515
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,880
always been a pleasure and peter robbins

1516
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:18,400
how are you

1517
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,599
good and i i want to say i met you early

1518
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:25,440
on i think it was the first or second

1519
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,319
year

1520
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,799
when i started podcasting i met you and

1521
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,520
up in maine at gold romaine or somewhere

1522
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:33,440
like that some little town

1523
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,400
um you were at a conference and i met

1524
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,319
you and travis up there and and i'm

1525
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,520
trying to remember

1526
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,599
kathleen martin at the time and a few

1527
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,040
others

1528
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:45,839
it was portland actually

1529
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:47,920
i think it was portland you you may be

1530
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:50,240
right it may have been portland right

1531
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,839
yeah that's right okay

1532
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,440
i'm getting confused i thought it was uh

1533
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:55,680
i thought it was the year before that

1534
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:58,720
but but anyway um you're no you're now

1535
00:57:04,549 --> 00:56:59,599
on

1536
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,559
i am um

1537
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:06,960
i was offered the opportunity

1538
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,520
more than a year before i started

1539
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,040
and um

1540
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:13,119
my first feeling was that i was

1541
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,160
flattered

1542
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,920
uh my second was

1543
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,319
does the world really need another ufo

1544
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:20,799
paranormal related broadcast

1545
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,240
there are

1546
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:25,040
so many people um colleagues and friends

1547
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,559
like yourself

1548
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,960
doing such a marvelous job of it

1549
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:31,119
that i asked them if i could think about

1550
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,839
it

1551
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:33,520
and they said fine and i thought about

1552
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:36,079
it for months

1553
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,680
and ultimately

1554
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:39,440
arrived at

1555
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,079
a format that i thought might add

1556
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:44,240
something to our

1557
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,910
so many of the people that we speak with

1558
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,599
are well known and respected in the

1559
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:55,520
field but at the time i was offered the

1560
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,559
show

1561
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:58,960
coming from a background as a

1562
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:02,000
a writer a researcher an author

1563
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,200
[Music]

1564
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,520
i thought

1565
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:07,440
we know these people but we really don't

1566
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:12,799
know them and so i set up a model of um

1567
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:15,520
trying to draw in everybody that you

1568
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,480
would

1569
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,480
everybody from the smallest podcast up

1570
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,640
to the audience of

1571
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:22,960
coast to coast which we all want

1572
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,920
as well as in fact especially people who

1573
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,599
had never listened to

1574
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,240
shows like ours before so the premise

1575
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,559
for most of my shows have been

1576
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:34,559
we know who you are unless we're new to

1577
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,760
the subject

1578
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:37,280
but of course we really don't know who

1579
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,319
you are

1580
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:40,720
and then give them an opportunity

1581
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:43,920
to take two hours in an informal

1582
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:46,160
conversation interview format

1583
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,079
to tell us the story of their lives um

1584
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:51,839
in any manner that they wanted often

1585
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,920
heavily illustrated

1586
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:55,680
and as i

1587
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,559
thought about doing the show i thought

1588
00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:00,720
who are the interviewers who i really do

1589
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,760
admire

1590
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:03,839
and going back to

1591
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,400
jack parr and dick cavett uh

1592
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,960
the the great terry gross on npr and

1593
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,880
fresh air

1594
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:12,960
and i thought of you you are a very

1595
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,400
straight shooter um you do not

1596
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,559
pull your punches you're very fair but

1597
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:20,240
you're very thorough

1598
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:24,000
and you also do your homework

1599
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,160
we all know of hosts who have authors on

1600
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:30,160
and haven't even read the liner notes on

1601
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,599
the book jacket

1602
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,240
you know your stuff and

1603
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,760
when i listen to your show i know i'm

1604
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:37,440
going to get valuable

1605
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:38,480
content

1606
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:40,960
for me the other aspect of my show

1607
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:42,960
increasingly

1608
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:44,720
are panel discussions

1609
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,839
and uh leah's been on one fairly

1610
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,400
recently uh dealing with the october

1611
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:53,359
19th um uh press conference at the

1612
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:55,760
national press club uh also steve

1613
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,000
bassett and um

1614
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,960
uh danny sheehan and

1615
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:02,880
i'm finally starting to really get a

1616
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,520
sense after almost a year

1617
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:07,920
of what you guys do and why you keep

1618
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:11,440
coming back to it um i've been

1619
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:13,119
a guest on uh

1620
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,880
luis's show

1621
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,119
which i enjoyed tremendously and looking

1622
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,720
forward to returning

1623
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,640
and um

1624
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:22,480
you're an inspiration in this work for

1625
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,440
me and

1626
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:25,760
i can only say congratulations on doing

1627
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,480
it for 10 years way to go

1628
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:30,559
well thank you so much thank you i

1629
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,680
appreciate it just uh just also i'm

1630
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,079
going to be bringing in stan gordon

1631
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,799
uh we also have charles lee our blogger

1632
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:41,119
and robert powell is up

1633
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,480
i'm not sure why

1634
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,319
charles lear's camera is not showing let

1635
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,160
me bring him back in

1636
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:48,160
that is strange it looks like a glitch

1637
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,599
he's there

1638
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,200
why are you figuring that out martin i'm

1639
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,720
going i'm going to leave but i just

1640
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:54,559
again want to congratulate you on 10

1641
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,079
great years thank you so much thanks for

1642
01:01:01,510 --> 01:01:00,240
thanks for popping in my pleasure nice

1643
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:01,520
to see you all

1644
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,160
all right take care jordan bye-bye all

1645
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,720
right i'm also bringing in uh stan

1646
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:08,880
gordon but let's see i got to do things

1647
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:10,640
in order here for

1648
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,040
for appearance and uh that means that

1649
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:16,079
lee spiegel how are you lee

1650
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:17,119
wow

1651
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:17,920
um

1652
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,400
is is is this the right place to order a

1653
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,430
so many somebody gave me a number and

1654
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:27,680
said for the best pizza in town

1655
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:30,480
yeah that's it

1656
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,839
are you are you a pineapple on your

1657
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,079
pizza or no

1658
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:36,400
no not really luis

1659
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:38,559
i'm

1660
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,040
[Laughter]

1661
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:45,599
well well i want to wish you um as we're

1662
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,880
all wishing you uh happy 10th oh and the

1663
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:50,720
wish is not just for me

1664
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:54,160
it's for me and my lovely wife and muse

1665
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,079
lorraine wishes you

1666
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,400
uh the same

1667
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:00,480
well thank you so much lee and it was

1668
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:03,359
real real fun hanging out with you two

1669
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:06,640
over at pine bush yes it was yeah that

1670
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,039
was that was so uh martin i'm going to

1671
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:11,280
bow out here so others can get in and

1672
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,160
but again congratulations thank you paul

1673
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,000
and we'll talk soon take care

1674
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,480
very good all right take care

1675
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,480
all right let's see who else uh just

1676
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,799
real quick we have uh

1677
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,799
robert powell came in

1678
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:26,240
after julie

1679
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,920
but

1680
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:29,760
more

1681
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,670
and congratulations on 10 years i think

1682
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:39,839
you've done uh a very good job with your

1683
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,880
podcast well thank you yeah i always

1684
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:44,640
appreciate it when you uh

1685
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:47,039
i think we met first in arizona and i

1686
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:48,559
kind of talked you into coming on the

1687
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,559
show i think you were a little maybe a

1688
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,880
little leery of it at first but

1689
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,200
it worked out okay right i had not met

1690
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:57,119
you prior to that right so for all i

1691
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:58,960
knew we were going to talk about

1692
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,680
you know little aliens and aluminum

1693
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,319
aluminum hats

1694
01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:06,480
that's right

1695
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:08,000
you know um

1696
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:09,920
one thing martin a lot of your guests

1697
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,119
may not know

1698
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:14,160
is that uh it was your podcast

1699
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:17,280
that put me in touch with kevin day

1700
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:18,480
that's right

1701
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:19,200
if

1702
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,680
kevin dave might still not be known to

1703
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:27,520
the ufo world and all the other guys

1704
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:30,160
that came out after him

1705
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:31,680
that's right because

1706
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,240
he he saw the podcast he wrote a little

1707
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:36,480
a little note like he said

1708
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:38,960
it was just like one or two sentences

1709
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,520
and i was able to you know find him from

1710
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:43,280
that

1711
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:46,880
out really well i remember you you're

1712
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:47,680
saying

1713
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,400
you said to me oh someone wrote and boy

1714
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,920
if he's legit he's someone pretty

1715
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:53,680
important i remember you you said that

1716
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,240
to me yeah yeah so i don't know if kevin

1717
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:58,559
day is going to thank you for all of

1718
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,680
that or not he may not

1719
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:03,280
yeah yeah i know

1720
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,400
it it it's it's hard to say so uh uh

1721
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:08,160
let's see we have travis walton thank

1722
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:09,680
you travis for joining us in bright

1723
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:10,880
zabel

1724
01:04:15,029 --> 01:04:12,799
and uh i just have to go quickly in

1725
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,039
order here and first i'm gonna jump now

1726
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:17,520
so gentlemen have a great evening and

1727
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,480
again congratulations martin bravo hi

1728
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,640
peter i appreciate you coming by thank

1729
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:24,079
you

1730
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:30,240
and i'll get too bright and uh charles

1731
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:32,079
uh i will get to you

1732
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:32,960
and

1733
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:35,200
but we had uh stan gordon popped in

1734
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,559
first i believe stan welcome to the show

1735
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:40,400
uh hello martin i want to congratulate

1736
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:41,760
you on your 10 years of bringing an

1737
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:43,200
important ufo information to the

1738
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,039
attention of the public concerning this

1739
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:47,280
ongoing mystery and thanks also for

1740
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:49,039
making me fighting me to be on this

1741
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,039
commandment with gibson tonight

1742
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,039
thank you stan yeah you were early on

1743
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,960
you've done some wonderful work in

1744
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,319
pennsylvania

1745
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,240
and uh so i'd appreciate i always

1746
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:00,640
appreciated uh what you have done and

1747
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,799
it's not just ufos there's other weird

1748
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,319
stuff happening there

1749
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:06,079
and uh you've you've looked into it

1750
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:08,720
deeply all the way back from your you

1751
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:10,160
know when you were young i remember you

1752
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,839
were telling me you listened to the

1753
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:13,280
keksburg thing

1754
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,039
live on the radio or something like that

1755
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,039
do i have that right

1756
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:19,119
yeah i was 16. i've been doing this now

1757
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:20,880
believe it or not it's going it's over

1758
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:23,760
62 years of research and i've never seen

1759
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:26,160
a ufo myself

1760
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,480
ufo cases

1761
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:30,400
on a regular basis in fact in the last

1762
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,319
few weeks we've had several very

1763
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,400
interesting low-level ufo sightings here

1764
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:36,400
in pennsylvania i'm looking into

1765
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,599
but my hotline has been open since 1969

1766
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:41,520
it never stops ringing

1767
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:44,079
how about that uh stan that's that's

1768
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,319
amazing all those years you you've been

1769
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,720
at this and you've been a real asset to

1770
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:51,200
uh looking to this topic and must make

1771
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:52,799
you happy that more people are taking

1772
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:55,760
this seriously these days

1773
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:58,240
uh there's no doubt about that um you

1774
01:06:01,510 --> 01:05:59,680
know i've dealt with the public for

1775
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:01,520
years and years on these various

1776
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,319
phenomena and i've seen such a change in

1777
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:06,960
attitude in more recent years and a lot

1778
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:08,720
of people are very supportive of the

1779
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,280
research that's going on now and uh

1780
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:13,119
so i'm hopeful someday that maybe we'll

1781
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:14,880
learn a lot more the more i know about

1782
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,480
the phenomena

1783
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,400
i think the stranger it is

1784
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,400
and um you know i said years and years

1785
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:22,240
ago i think there's more than one origin

1786
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,920
to the unknown category of the ufo

1787
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:25,440
phenomena

1788
01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:27,760
yeah i have to agree with you there and

1789
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,319
uh but thank you so much stan for coming

1790
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,880
on i really appreciate it

1791
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:34,720
well thanks for having me on

1792
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:36,880
all right all right you bet

1793
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:40,319
okay and next i when i have uh

1794
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:42,880
bryce isabel came in bryce welcome hey

1795
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:45,039
great to be here congratulations i

1796
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:47,200
really enjoyed uh hanging out at your

1797
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,079
house a few weeks ago and our late night

1798
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,160
talk that was a blast that was so much

1799
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,559
fun what i remember of it because we had

1800
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:56,000
been drinking no you hadn't been

1801
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:57,440
drinking you don't even drink i had to

1802
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:01,039
drink for both of us i think so

1803
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:02,480
oh you said some pretty incredible

1804
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,150
but no no it was great it was really

1805
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,839
great you have such a creative mind and

1806
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:12,000
it was uh it was so interesting and i'm

1807
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:14,000
looking in your background what is that

1808
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:16,000
is that a storyboard i'm looking at yeah

1809
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:18,799
i have this is my home office and that's

1810
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:21,440
a kind of a cork board where i break uh

1811
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,760
you know movies or tv series or whatever

1812
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:26,000
that actually right now is a book i'm

1813
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,839
writing um so i've got 10 chapters arced

1814
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:31,200
out and

1815
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:32,880
you know what's interesting about that

1816
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:33,680
there's

1817
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:37,200
thing is uh

1818
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:39,039
whenever i've run a show

1819
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,119
i always like to put things up on cards

1820
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,200
and get the writers in the room to put

1821
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:45,520
things up and you arc it all out and you

1822
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,920
try to see ahead what's happening

1823
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:49,440
and usually if you're running the show

1824
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:51,039
you shouldn't have to write the cards

1825
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,720
right i mean that should be somebody

1826
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,480
should be in writing the cards but it

1827
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:56,160
turns out that i'm the only guy that has

1828
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:00,950
himself

1829
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,599
so and and my my friends all make fun of

1830
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,280
me because i have i have not only

1831
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:06,960
different colored cards but i have

1832
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:09,760
different colored uh sharpies and i have

1833
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,640
different colored little red circles and

1834
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,079
the whole thing is color-coded and the

1835
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,760
only person who can ever figure it out

1836
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:18,000
is me which is i guess sort of the way i

1837
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,279
like it so

1838
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:24,870
uh very funny very funny well um

1839
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:26,960
uh you have is there anything you can

1840
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:28,719
talk we talked a little bit about what

1841
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:30,159
you had going on i know there was a lot

1842
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,440
of things you said you couldn't talk

1843
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:33,359
about but is there anything you can talk

1844
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,560
about quickly

1845
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:36,880
you know i i'm gonna

1846
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,120
mostly pass on that although i did write

1847
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,920
a spec pilot called uap it's an hour

1848
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:42,880
drama

1849
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:45,679
and uh chris mellon has come aboard to

1850
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,080
be our consultant on it so i think

1851
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:50,239
that's pretty pretty important stuff

1852
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:51,839
we'll see if that means anything in

1853
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,640
hollywood but we're looking into it and

1854
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:56,239
uh you know that's that's kind of what

1855
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:58,000
i'm all about right now kind of

1856
01:09:02,709 --> 01:08:59,600
interested in that had a couple of

1857
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,719
podcast offers but i said i will not

1858
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:05,359
compete with martin that's never gonna

1859
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:07,520
happen that's right i told you better

1860
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,520
not and i gave you another drink and you

1861
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,759
you you laid down the law and i i

1862
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,080
respect that so yeah yeah no that's

1863
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:16,799
great and you shared that screenplay

1864
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:19,199
um a draft with me and that is

1865
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,199
fascinating i hope that does come into

1866
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,640
something well i've tried to keep it

1867
01:09:26,110 --> 01:09:24,480
very real and authentic but by the way i

1868
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,120
just want to take it back to you

1869
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:28,560
congratulations i mean 10 years is a

1870
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:31,199
long time to do anything i think

1871
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,799
i don't think i've done anything 10

1872
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:34,560
years except stay married to my wife

1873
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:35,920
which is

1874
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,839
probably a very smart thing to do yeah i

1875
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,279
know that it's 10 years since the

1876
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:41,759
anniversary of after disclosure the book

1877
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:45,040
i wrote with richard dolan and and by

1878
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,440
way of analysis i look at that and i go

1879
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,199
well that was

1880
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,839
a long long time ago it certainly feels

1881
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,000
like so you've been on the air forever

1882
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,080
my friend you just keep that up well

1883
01:10:03,030 --> 01:09:58,800
thank you very much thank you thank you

1884
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,040
and i think you are next travis walton

1885
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:06,159
hey um martin uh congratulations on a

1886
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,520
decade of

1887
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,080
service to a very important topic

1888
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,239
that's right and uh i was just saying

1889
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,480
earlier before you came on you i met you

1890
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:16,400
early on um

1891
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,880
early on for my ten years i know you've

1892
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,880
you know you've been out there uh

1893
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:23,280
talking about this for for a while

1894
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,480
and uh

1895
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:26,640
and it's always uh it's funny when i

1896
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:30,239
listen to you you talk about your story

1897
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:31,280
um

1898
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:34,080
it's never changed but there sometimes

1899
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,719
there's some more information that you

1900
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:38,719
you put out there that is really really

1901
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:40,960
interesting and uh and a lot of it has

1902
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:42,000
to do with

1903
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:44,239
um you know i i think since we first

1904
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:46,560
talked do you feel as though that it was

1905
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,679
a rescue mission when you were uh

1906
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:51,600
that's something you didn't talk about

1907
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,400
at first yeah yeah it was just a sort of

1908
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,880
dawning realization that if they meant

1909
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,800
any harm i i would have even been

1910
01:11:01,110 --> 01:11:00,159
returned so

1911
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:01,120
uh

1912
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:03,280
looking for the harmful effects and

1913
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,560
seeing none it just gradually

1914
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:08,000
uh

1915
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,239
the fear and the shock and all that was

1916
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:15,120
just my own perceptions at the time

1917
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:18,640
yeah yeah i mean it's such a

1918
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,960
um you know this whole thing it just

1919
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,560
seems like the more

1920
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,480
you look into it the more questions you

1921
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:27,040
have you know and not answers

1922
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:29,760
i mean i mentioned earlier having a

1923
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,000
night sitting up with bryce and talking

1924
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,640
forever and it's kind of like wow you

1925
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:36,239
know but when i left i felt like i had

1926
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:38,080
more questions than

1927
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,520
than answers you know because that's

1928
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:41,920
what this subject seems to do

1929
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:45,040
well it is certainly opening up uh

1930
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:48,320
worldwide and the perception i can i can

1931
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:49,760
see it you know

1932
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,320
year after year it just is is

1933
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,560
gaining more and more acceptance more

1934
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:55,920
and more people

1935
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:58,640
uh know what's going on

1936
01:12:04,630 --> 01:11:59,520
right

1937
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:04,640
on hold forever here and i just have to

1938
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:08,400
bring them in uh quickly we have joshua

1939
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:09,600
uh

1940
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,800
joshua cutchen how are you

1941
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,880
jonathan casey how's it going martin oh

1942
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:16,480
i'm sorry i pronounced your last name

1943
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,280
wrong

1944
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:19,520
joshua were you on my show someone else

1945
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,239
interviewed you at one time

1946
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,719
uh i was on your show and i spoke to you

1947
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:26,719
and preston bennett at the beginning of

1948
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,560
this year actually oh i'm terribly sorry

1949
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,120
but anyway uh you know it's funny i was

1950
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:35,280
looking through my list of guests and

1951
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,000
some of them i have to say out of 481

1952
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,640
shows uh you know i forget sometimes i

1953
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,960
forget oh yeah i had that person on you

1954
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:44,880
know like someone asked to be on my show

1955
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,480
and i forgot all about that they were

1956
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:47,760
already on once

1957
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,880
so it does happen

1958
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:52,800
well i've actually recently been on a

1959
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:55,520
few other podcasts um uh barbara jean

1960
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:58,960
lindsey cosmic oracle ufo garage

1961
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:01,360
a couple i just i'm a new experiencer

1962
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,760
i'm new to this whole ufo community

1963
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,080
in general i happen to i know the

1964
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:08,239
bledsoe family personally i went to

1965
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:11,360
school with uh chris jr and ryan

1966
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:14,400
um i'm a little unique as i was a former

1967
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:16,159
hardcore skeptic a year ago i didn't

1968
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:17,520
believe in any of this and at the

1969
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:18,960
beginning of this year

1970
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,520
i started experiencing orbs and um this

1971
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,520
year alone i've seen um i've lost count

1972
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:25,520
honestly at least 20 orbs

1973
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,880
and i got to make this real quick

1974
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,880
because i got to get out here but um

1975
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:30,880
yeah i know you've been on hold a long

1976
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,840
time and i really appreciate it

1977
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,520
and we have we have someone at the

1978
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:37,199
airport that's on hold too and he was my

1979
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:38,080
first

1980
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:43,040
to grab them so thank you so much joshua

1981
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,199
and i'm headed off too by martin all

1982
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,760
right robert thank you so much and um

1983
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:49,520
i'm sorry i have to i have to kind of

1984
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:51,440
move along here because so michael lauca

1985
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:53,679
are you there

1986
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,800
michael

1987
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:55,760
yes

1988
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:58,320
michael how are you do you hear me

1989
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,440
yes i hear you loud and clear come on

1990
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:03,440
you're you are live on the radio and

1991
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,199
everyone hang in there if i especially

1992
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:08,320
haven't spoken to you yet uh michael

1993
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:11,199
you i forget how you and i first

1994
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,040
got in touch with each other but you

1995
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,520
were on and you you and i did some like

1996
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,320
co-hosting you did ufo news this is

1997
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:20,400
going back in like year two or three

1998
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:24,229
yes

1999
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,719
different places then and

2000
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:30,719
it's been a long time

2001
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:33,040
that's right and uh you you wrote some

2002
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,679
really really good blogs as a matter of

2003
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:36,800
fact

2004
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,640
one of the blog

2005
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,120
is the reason why uh calvin parker

2006
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,840
reached out to me and and uh

2007
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,000
calvin parker i do have a clip i'm going

2008
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,239
to run here in a little bit uh where

2009
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,560
he's he says hi and everyone can kind of

2010
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:52,400
take a break and breathe or whatever you

2011
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:53,520
want to do i'm going to be running that

2012
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:54,880
in just a few minutes but you know

2013
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:56,800
thanks to your great blog

2014
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,719
um he uh contacted me and he produced he

2015
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,960
was able to write a book and it's been

2016
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,880
doing really well and he's had a lot of

2017
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,239
recognitions i'm gonna have i'm gonna

2018
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:08,800
bring him up in just a minute

2019
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:10,880
so anyway michael thank you i know

2020
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:14,000
you're at the airport and it's crazy and

2021
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,760
i do appreciate all that you have done

2022
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:17,520
in the past you've done a lot a lot of

2023
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:21,990
oh i

2024
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:23,440
you know what it's

2025
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,040
not nothing i mean this show is really

2026
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:28,880
because of your hard work

2027
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:31,280
and uh congratulations

2028
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:33,440
it's uh when you told me it had been 10

2029
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:36,000
years i couldn't believe it i know i

2030
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:38,640
literally was like it couldn't have been

2031
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:41,920
we we're not that old

2032
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:45,679
yes i'm not even going to get into that

2033
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:46,640
you're right

2034
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:47,520
yeah

2035
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:52,080
well i said i'm proud of you martin for

2036
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,080
sticking with it and making this happen

2037
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,640
it's it's it's a great thing

2038
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:58,159
well thank you michael that's very nice

2039
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:59,840
to you

2040
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:01,520
all right you take care and hopefully

2041
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:07,910
yes yes you congratulations again

2042
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:11,360
all right take care michael

2043
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:13,199
all right um let's see i know i still

2044
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:14,960
have chris lambright preston dennett

2045
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,159
irene previn just uh popped in

2046
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:20,640
it seems up if you don't all mind just

2047
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:23,600
hanging in for about five minutes is

2048
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:25,120
everyone okay to hang in five minutes so

2049
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:26,560
i can run this sure

2050
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,120
all right and i'm gonna run this this uh

2051
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:31,440
i recorded on sunday

2052
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,040
and you'll recognize a few of these

2053
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:35,120
people and here we go

2054
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,760
all right and from over the pond i got

2055
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:39,120
philip mantle

2056
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:42,080
and uh one of my pals here calvin parker

2057
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:44,080
harry how are you guys

2058
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:58,550
before i forget martin congratulations

2059
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:01,920
10 years of hosting this podcast i mean

2060
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,640
i've done podcasts myself and i know

2061
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:06,320
it's not easy

2062
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:08,320
and uh but you've done a great job over

2063
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,199
these last 10 years and i wish you well

2064
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:13,199
for the next 10 years my friend i really

2065
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:14,480
do

2066
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:19,199
feel like i'm gonna change anything i

2067
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:22,239
just love uh doing the show and and it's

2068
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:24,080
you know the last few years we've been

2069
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:25,840
pretty lucky with some of the

2070
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:27,199
information out

2071
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,320
i remember the first one i did with you

2072
01:17:34,110 --> 01:17:32,480
and that was way back that was uh i

2073
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:34,120
think that was

2074
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:38,400
2014 or 13 calvin it was i was a little

2075
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:40,640
healthier than i am now

2076
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:41,679
but yeah

2077
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:43,760
i know our new year's going a long ways

2078
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:46,239
with it then you do such a great job

2079
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,280
with them

2080
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:49,280
happy anniversary on it

2081
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:51,520
well well thank you so much calvin and

2082
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:52,560
um

2083
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,880
it i believe

2084
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:56,800
now tell me if i'm wrong but were you

2085
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,360
the first time

2086
01:18:03,669 --> 01:18:01,679
interviewed by me for a it was a long

2087
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:03,679
time ahead of yesterday

2088
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:07,120
you're exactly right and matter of fact

2089
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:08,960
that's the way phillip found me through

2090
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:09,840
you

2091
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,440
yep yeah yeah i'm just so glad that

2092
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,520
worked out and i was just about to say

2093
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:15,840
that i'm just about to thank you martin

2094
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:16,880
because

2095
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:18,960
uh were it not for you it would have

2096
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,679
probably take me a whole lot longer to

2097
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:23,360
to find calvin

2098
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:25,120
uh i think when

2099
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:28,320
i was just you know throwing out the net

2100
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:30,640
and and you know you i caught you in the

2101
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,400
net and um

2102
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,159
at that point i'd already been trying to

2103
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:36,400
find him for three months

2104
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:37,679
and yeah

2105
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:40,560
so i do thank you for that it led to uh

2106
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:43,600
me and calvin of course becoming friends

2107
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:46,560
but a whole lot more than that uh as in

2108
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:48,560
soon in in the last what three years

2109
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,920
that we that

2110
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:51,120
we've been in

2111
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:52,239
yeah

2112
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,320
2018

2113
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:56,400
well so can you tell me what what has

2114
01:19:00,310 --> 01:18:58,560
actually happened in that time quite a

2115
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:00,320
bit right

2116
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:02,400
well i i'll i'll tell you i mean calvin

2117
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:04,000
told his story

2118
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:05,840
uh in full

2119
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:08,400
in writing for the first time

2120
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,880
and um what i didn't know i didn't i

2121
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:13,040
didn't contact calvin with the view of

2122
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:15,600
of uh writing or publishing a book

2123
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,640
what happened uh martin i'd i got the

2124
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:20,880
right to republish

2125
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:23,840
charles hickson and um william mendez's

2126
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,040
book

2127
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:27,679
and i knew charles had sadly passed away

2128
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:29,840
but i i to the best of my knowledge i

2129
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:32,080
thought calvin was still around

2130
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:35,199
so i thought if i could get an interview

2131
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:36,560
and i'll put him in

2132
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,560
in the book just to bring it up to date

2133
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,640
of course what i didn't know is when i

2134
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,400
first spoke to him

2135
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:43,920
he was very polite didn't tell me an

2136
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:45,810
awful lot

2137
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,080
[Laughter]

2138
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:51,360
but unknown to me his wife wayneette

2139
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,480
just

2140
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:55,120
literally i think weeks before i um

2141
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,480
contacted calvin had mentioned to him

2142
01:20:01,270 --> 01:20:00,480
about writing a book

2143
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:01,280
so

2144
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:03,520
he made the mistake of telling me that

2145
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:05,840
so there was no escaping it in the end

2146
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:08,400
martin he'd wayne on one side of me on

2147
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:09,440
the other

2148
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:10,800
and of course

2149
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:13,199
you know the books have passed all our

2150
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,239
our surprises when i went to be a

2151
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:18,480
best seller on amazon

2152
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,320
not only that what it did which is

2153
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,239
probably more important

2154
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:24,320
it spurred others

2155
01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:26,159
to come out of the woodwork much like

2156
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:28,239
kelvin had for the first time

2157
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:29,920
and they could see that you know now

2158
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,360
calvin

2159
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:33,440
unlike when his incident happened back

2160
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:36,400
in 1973 people weren't making fun of him

2161
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:38,639
anymore by and large they were taking

2162
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:40,400
him seriously they treated him with

2163
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:43,280
respect especially locally

2164
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:46,000
and it encouraged others to come out of

2165
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:47,199
the woodwork

2166
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:50,400
and um you know that list of people who

2167
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:51,840
have done that

2168
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:54,000
continues to grow

2169
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,960
well yes look who we have here

2170
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:58,800
ben there he is

2171
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:01,600
how's it going guys going great damn how

2172
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:02,719
you doing

2173
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:05,120
i apologize i uh

2174
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:06,719
i'm uh at the airport that's why i'm

2175
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,800
wearing this mask and i don't have any

2176
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:11,040
earphones so i can barely hear you here

2177
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:12,400
but

2178
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:15,360
well you made it yeah

2179
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:17,199
wanted to jump in and say hi and

2180
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,000
congratulations uh martin for uh

2181
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,760
all these years man i think i remember

2182
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:23,040
when you

2183
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:24,800
first started broadcasting and time

2184
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:26,080
flies

2185
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:28,320
i know i i can't i can't believe it it's

2186
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,360
just it has it's flown right by and i i

2187
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:33,120
like all of a sudden i realized like a

2188
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,360
few months ago oh my god it's ten years

2189
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:37,679
now and uh

2190
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:39,679
i think tvs still have valves in the

2191
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:42,800
back of them when you started martin

2192
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:45,920
wooden gears yeah yeah podcasters wasn't

2193
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,239
quite so easy

2194
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:50,400
so ben i know you're super busy and you

2195
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,080
know it means a lot to me that you you

2196
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,639
checked in at the airport

2197
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:56,480
you know you just have a ton of stuff

2198
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:58,880
going on uh anything you can talk about

2199
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:01,840
freely or is it um yeah actually they

2200
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:03,840
just announced it um

2201
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:04,639
uh

2202
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:06,639
friday i think it was

2203
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:07,679
they uh

2204
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:10,480
they we are in season two now of ufo

2205
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,040
witness and of course calvin was one of

2206
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,760
the highlights of season one um

2207
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:17,840
his story is all of that's going to be

2208
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,400
airing on uh travel channel now starting

2209
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:22,639
tomorrow on monday so everyone who

2210
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:25,280
wasn't able to watch it because of um

2211
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:26,159
um

2212
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,840
you know if it was only on discovery

2213
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,960
plus you didn't have the streaming

2214
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,560
service you could now go

2215
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:32,159
directly to travel channel and i think

2216
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:33,280
they're going to start airing them in

2217
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:34,880
order so

2218
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:37,040
um i think it's 10 p.m eastern time

2219
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:38,400
tomorrow is when it starts and then

2220
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:40,159
probably every week they'll

2221
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,239
they'll keep that same time slot

2222
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:44,719
and um i'm flying out right now to film

2223
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:46,960
episode two of uh

2224
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:49,520
of season two so we're excited

2225
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:51,520
excellent well just to let the listener

2226
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,719
know that uh we're recording on sunday

2227
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,639
ahead of the show so it'll have to be

2228
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:58,159
like the following unfortunately you

2229
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,320
won't catch it

2230
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:02,480
monday but you'll can find that time

2231
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:04,719
slot they can go back in time it'll

2232
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:07,679
already be airing for them

2233
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,560
yeah

2234
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,480
excellent well this has been a real

2235
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,800
pleasure everyone thank you so much

2236
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,040
and uh if if there wasn't people like

2237
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:17,840
you of course there would be no show so

2238
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:20,320
i really appreciate it well you know i i

2239
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,600
tried podcasting one time actually twice

2240
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,920
and um if people don't have never tried

2241
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:27,440
it they don't know how hard it is every

2242
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,719
week

2243
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,880
you you have to prepare like who you're

2244
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:32,960
gonna have arrange your own personal

2245
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:35,679
life you know to make that time slot

2246
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:37,840
prepare for the interview

2247
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:39,440
and you get committed to it but it's a

2248
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:43,280
lot it's it's a lot to do that and

2249
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:44,320
you know

2250
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:45,840
most the time people are doing it

2251
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,600
because the of the passion that they

2252
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:49,440
have for it i mean you're lucky if you

2253
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,400
can

2254
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:52,480
actually make money and and doing it

2255
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,159
it's a it's a passion and that's why i

2256
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,239
really appreciate people like you martin

2257
01:24:02,310 --> 01:23:58,800
that do it and get the word out

2258
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:02,320
well thank you thank you all so much

2259
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,280
you're welcome

2260
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:05,760
pleasure good night god bless

2261
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,280
all right we'll see you guys in another

2262
01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:11,189
okay

2263
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,350
bye all right wow

2264
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:19,760
so that when it ends it ends quick so

2265
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:21,920
let's see where we're at uh lee thank

2266
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,679
you for hanging in and who else has been

2267
01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:25,199
hanging yeah lee and chris have been

2268
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,360
hanging in i'm trying to remember who

2269
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:29,520
popped in first

2270
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:31,600
was it preston

2271
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:34,000
or was it chris

2272
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,270
i was about to say i think it was

2273
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:41,280
preston

2274
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:42,639
anyway no that's quite all right

2275
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:44,239
whatever is what's going on it's good to

2276
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:45,280
see you martin

2277
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:47,600
surprised me when i got your note about

2278
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:50,000
10 years it's it really has been a long

2279
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:52,000
time it was just an occasional podcast

2280
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:53,600
you did back when uh

2281
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:55,120
when i guess the first time i spoke with

2282
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:55,920
you

2283
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:56,840
but

2284
01:25:02,149 --> 01:24:59,679
um i was doing them every two weeks for

2285
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,159
the first part of this and um it's funny

2286
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,080
i i got a lot of my guests i will tell

2287
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,159
you that i i used to listen to coast to

2288
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:08,400
coast and i'd say well that guy sounds

2289
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:09,840
interesting and then i heard you one

2290
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:11,440
night and i said wow

2291
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:13,280
um i just thought

2292
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:15,440
i thought it was really fascinating and

2293
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:17,760
uh and you're approachable and and you

2294
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,480
actually answered uh which was very nice

2295
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,000
you know a lot of a lot of people in the

2296
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:24,239
very beginning didn't didn't seem to

2297
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:26,159
answer you know the the emails right

2298
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:28,159
away that's interesting someone being

2299
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,159
new you know i mean at it

2300
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,960
but anyway i was uh uh and you and i

2301
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:34,239
have had a lot of

2302
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:36,320
uh long long conversations over the

2303
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:38,320
years it's been a lot of fun oh yeah

2304
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:40,719
that is you don't look any older i think

2305
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:43,360
i must look a lot older

2306
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,400
but uh

2307
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:46,400
yeah i know i guess that was not long

2308
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:47,840
after i had

2309
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:49,280
written the book i guess it was some

2310
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,960
point that's right it was right you know

2311
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,560
the thing's still not in print and now i

2312
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,480
feel like i should probably go i should

2313
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:55,840
have talked to philip i should find a

2314
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:58,080
publisher who can maybe consider putting

2315
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:59,679
it in print i just have always been such

2316
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,840
a stickler for wanting some nice

2317
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,159
images you know good glossy images of

2318
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:06,000
the because of the paul binowitz photos

2319
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:07,120
especially

2320
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,320
so that's why i went pdf first but um it

2321
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,400
seemed like in the last few months i've

2322
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,400
kind of

2323
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:16,320
gone on the quiet side of things at this

2324
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:17,840
stage and

2325
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:20,560
actually decided to move from you know i

2326
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:22,560
had revised the website put it back on

2327
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,840
the book i'm gonna

2328
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:25,600
probably go at looking

2329
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:27,280
doing some more documentary style things

2330
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:29,120
i actually have a one i've been working

2331
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:30,480
on for a while with some information i

2332
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:32,080
have on the socorro case just kind of a

2333
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:34,000
proof of concept thing but i've got a

2334
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,920
trailer a teaser trailer i'll send you a

2335
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:37,120
link to it and let you take a look at

2336
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:38,080
that

2337
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:42,000
but um but more so even because

2338
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:44,239
there's well you know visual things

2339
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:45,440
seeing it's one of the reasons that it

2340
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:47,600
mattered to me to have the photos

2341
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:49,679
really good resolution high color so you

2342
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:51,280
could see it and years ago i did a book

2343
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,480
where i was actually working on a book

2344
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:56,800
where i wanted to do the illustrations

2345
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:58,400
as though you were standing there

2346
01:27:02,229 --> 01:26:59,920
looking at the odds because it was all

2347
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,239
oil paintings back then it wasn't wasn't

2348
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:05,040
done on photoshop or anything and now

2349
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:07,840
being able to do a lot of the cgi stuff

2350
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,560
and um illustrate actual what it would

2351
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:12,000
look like if you were standing right

2352
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,960
there

2353
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:14,080
so those are kind of things that would

2354
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:15,520
be interested in doing a lot of graphic

2355
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:19,360
arts kind of stuff as well but um yeah

2356
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:21,040
i've seen senior work you're very

2357
01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:23,440
talented and uh well i appreciate it but

2358
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:25,040
wait do i send you this teaser i mean

2359
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,199
even i have to think you know it looks

2360
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,600
pretty kick-ass i mean animating the

2361
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:31,760
whole thing of the socorro object and

2362
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,600
what it would look like from

2363
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:35,600
where his zamora was at the time and

2364
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:37,040
it's just

2365
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:38,400
i don't know i'm kind of proud of it but

2366
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:40,000
i've had to you can't teach an old dog

2367
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,360
new tricks by the way i had to learn

2368
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:43,040
some software maya and a few other

2369
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:45,520
things to actually do this but uh yeah

2370
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,360
but now the documentary side of things

2371
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:49,120
is really it takes a lot of time you

2372
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:50,560
can't do everything yourself and get it

2373
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,239
all finished at some point i'm gonna

2374
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:54,400
have to job out certain things

2375
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:56,080
you know one of the things i gotta say

2376
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:58,400
chris is i thought you you've done you

2377
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,560
have done a very you did a very good job

2378
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:02,719
in the paul benowitz case and anyone

2379
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:04,880
that looks it's a sad case but

2380
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:07,120
fascinating at the same time i would

2381
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:09,840
love to see someday a documentary made

2382
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,239
specifically about that case alone

2383
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:14,080
that's the number two project i've got

2384
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:16,239
the third project is like the first rule

2385
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:18,239
of fight club i'm not talking about the

2386
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:20,080
third one

2387
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:21,360
but actually no you're absolutely

2388
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:23,440
correct in fact before i began to work

2389
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,360
in the squirrel when i was

2390
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:27,520
doing some looking at animating some of

2391
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,600
the paul binowitz imagery maybe i'll

2392
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,840
send you a link to actually have xdes

2393
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:33,360
publishing and x

2394
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:34,719
digital

2395
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:38,320
but it's not up now if there's a kind of

2396
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:39,840
a holding page

2397
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,480
but um the idea of doing

2398
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,320
documentaries the way i would want to

2399
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:46,560
see them where you actually

2400
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:47,360
see

2401
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,159
images done realistic as though you were

2402
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,480
standing there looking at it and having

2403
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:54,239
had some of the actual photos that paul

2404
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:57,280
sent me helps a lot because once you get

2405
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,840
a good chance to see the actual photos

2406
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:01,679
i'd love to have seen the ones that i

2407
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:03,920
didn't get to see right right you're

2408
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,600
right that's uh if they're tucked away

2409
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:07,679
in a file somewhere in the you know the

2410
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:09,199
family i know the sun

2411
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,520
nodding because of the the burnt

2412
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:13,840
situation they felt that they're not

2413
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:15,199
really talking to anyone it's

2414
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:16,800
unfortunate if those things ever get

2415
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:17,760
tossed

2416
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,719
but um

2417
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:21,199
actually i made a trip to santa fe to

2418
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:23,199
give a talk a couple of years back and

2419
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,760
made a point of just happening to go by

2420
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:27,520
thunder scientific

2421
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:28,639
i just

2422
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:30,560
i got to show my face in there and at

2423
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:32,159
least and i talked to his son i think it

2424
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:34,000
was his son ben

2425
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,600
very gracious i didn't i mean it was

2426
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:37,520
just a five-minute short trip thing just

2427
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:39,280
to tell them how much i had kind of

2428
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:41,440
respected their dad but he was very

2429
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:43,840
gracious guy i mean he was terrific guy

2430
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:45,040
so maybe

2431
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:46,639
but i but i did write a letter to his

2432
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:47,840
wife and said if you've got any of

2433
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:49,840
paul's film stuck in a way in a safe

2434
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:50,800
somewhere

2435
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:52,639
take care of them

2436
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,800
somebody must have them somewhere that's

2437
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,880
right so we have a lot of people that uh

2438
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:58,560
we just have uh uh

2439
01:30:02,470 --> 01:30:01,520
ben moss and tony tony i always have a

2440
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,480
and

2441
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:04,560
oh hey guys i just saw you guys come in

2442
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:07,040
down there yeah tony tony post some

2443
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:09,040
terrific stuff on facebook by the way

2444
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:11,120
when tony posted i'm not on facebook

2445
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:13,120
anymore so i miss everything but we have

2446
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,880
linda zimmerman in

2447
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:16,000
and uh

2448
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:18,239
uh lee i know i want to get to talk to

2449
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,719
you more i don't know how uh how

2450
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,159
everyone's feeling about this but if

2451
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,320
everyone wants to hang out uh i'm gonna

2452
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:26,159
go longer than eight o'clock if anyone

2453
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:29,199
wants to hang out and talk after that um

2454
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:31,440
i just decided to do that but i wanted i

2455
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:32,239
think

2456
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:35,840
preston dennett you are next right

2457
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:37,280
i think

2458
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:38,480
hey hi

2459
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:41,040
i'm how are you doing doing i'm doing

2460
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:43,199
great good great

2461
01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:45,520
yeah well thanks for having me on your

2462
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:48,320
anniversary show it's awesome sure

2463
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:49,920
you're not getting sick of hearing it

2464
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:50,800
but

2465
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:53,120
yeah congratulations

2466
01:30:57,510 --> 01:30:54,400
well thank you

2467
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:57,520
yeah thank you and preston uh you

2468
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:59,199
always have a book going on do you have

2469
01:31:01,510 --> 01:31:00,080
a book

2470
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:01,520
you're working on now

2471
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:04,000
of course yeah yeah you know it yeah

2472
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:07,120
i've got like 50 more i want to write so

2473
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:09,040
uh i think this is an important subject

2474
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:11,040
and you're doing great work

2475
01:31:13,030 --> 01:31:12,080
i'm like

2476
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:13,040
actually

2477
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:15,040
you're hugely popular you're out there

2478
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:17,199
you've got all kinds of hits and uh

2479
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:19,760
whenever i do a book i make sure to go

2480
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:21,360
through your shows and make sure i

2481
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:22,960
haven't missed anything i did a book on

2482
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:24,880
schoolyard encounters

2483
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:26,960
and i'm so glad i went through your

2484
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:29,840
shows because i found an amazing witness

2485
01:31:34,149 --> 01:31:31,199
there

2486
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:34,159
and uh yeah i am keeping busy i love the

2487
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:35,760
work you're doing

2488
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:36,960
and

2489
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:39,280
this field is just exploding

2490
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:41,040
whoops is that me

2491
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:55,510
so yeah if that happens and i drop out

2492
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:57,120
everyone just keep going with the show i

2493
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,400
don't care when it ends you just keep

2494
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:00,239
going

2495
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:03,040
so anyway uh we have dave marlar popped

2496
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:05,840
in too hi dave i'm just gonna say uh i'm

2497
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:07,679
letting people talk one at a time kind

2498
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:10,320
of the thing to do here but also when

2499
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:12,719
someone talks

2500
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:16,880
wants to ask them a quick question you

2501
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,719
know feel free i don't want you to you

2502
01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:20,239
know if you have a question you want to

2503
01:32:23,350 --> 01:32:21,520
ask someone

2504
01:32:24,149 --> 01:32:23,360
but now we have we have a full house

2505
01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:24,159
here

2506
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:25,679
and irene

2507
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:31,910
oh there we go can you hear me i've just

2508
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:34,639
done muted my mic how are you great to

2509
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:37,199
be here i've got my um

2510
01:32:41,669 --> 01:32:40,000
ginger apple water cafe because it's

2511
01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:41,679
breakfast time here actually late

2512
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:43,840
breakfast over here in australia

2513
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:45,360
congratulations

2514
01:32:50,149 --> 01:32:47,600
well thank you is there actually alcohol

2515
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,159
in that i mean no no no alcohol it's

2516
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:52,560
just very healthy probiotics

2517
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:56,400
but thank you cheers everyone cheers

2518
01:33:04,070 --> 01:32:59,840
well done 10 years my goodness um we met

2519
01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:04,080
in 2019 in person but i have seen you um

2520
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:06,800
obviously online before that um but yeah

2521
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,560
it was a real thrill to meet you at the

2522
01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:10,480
phoenix conference so

2523
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:11,360
yeah

2524
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:16,960
there with uh i love the group you're in

2525
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:17,760
and

2526
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:21,199
you guys made a trip around the country

2527
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:23,280
right a little bit yeah we did a road

2528
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:26,159
trip we went to um uh

2529
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:28,159
the roswell field and spent a lot of

2530
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:29,840
time there we actually popped into the

2531
01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:30,960
garage

2532
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:33,600
afterwards so we got to see all of the

2533
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:35,280
um

2534
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,400
the legendary sides around the area and

2535
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:40,239
uh that was quite thrilling for us

2536
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:41,760
coming from the other side of the world

2537
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:44,159
to do our kind of mecca

2538
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:47,360
visit ufo ufo pilgrimage uh

2539
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:48,400
relationships

2540
01:33:51,990 --> 01:33:50,719
in a way yeah that was really

2541
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:52,000
interesting

2542
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:54,719
and uh you also were able to connect me

2543
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:57,840
to ross coldheart which i think

2544
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:00,159
he's a real powerhouse in this uh in the

2545
01:34:05,189 --> 01:34:02,320
ufo topic and i was very very grateful

2546
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:05,199
for that oh thank you i have his book

2547
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:07,840
here and he's autographed it kindly for

2548
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:13,910
so that's got rather lovely that's going

2549
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:15,920
to be christmas presents

2550
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,719
yeah

2551
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,560
i've got a whole bunch of them in plain

2552
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:20,159
sight everybody who hasn't read it

2553
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,600
should get a copy

2554
01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:23,840
um the other news that um

2555
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:26,080
uh down here is that there's a young

2556
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:28,719
emerging emerging filmmaker anthony

2557
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:30,480
reilly who's

2558
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:33,679
working on uh trying to get a film

2559
01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:36,320
happening for about westall

2560
01:34:41,109 --> 01:34:38,960
so all you americans with deep pockets

2561
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:41,119
dig deep and sponsor this film when it

2562
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:43,679
comes out i don't know what um

2563
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:45,760
when he's going to start

2564
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:48,000
producing or looking for funding but

2565
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:50,400
watch out for that one

2566
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:52,480
i think it would be amazing

2567
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:54,080
he's in touch with the witnesses and

2568
01:34:58,149 --> 01:34:56,560
they're very kindly giving him time and

2569
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:58,159
talking to him so he's getting to know

2570
01:35:02,229 --> 01:35:00,239
them and i think it will be really

2571
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:02,239
exciting to get a film made about

2572
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:06,239
westall a recreation of of um

2573
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:08,719
yeah the human side of it i suppose is

2574
01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:10,880
what he's focusing on i don't know much

2575
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:13,280
about it yet but that's the little that

2576
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:15,040
i do know and um

2577
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,800
yeah that's

2578
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:18,239
wonderful

2579
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:21,360
yes hey um i need let's see i need a

2580
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:23,920
space i think let me see if i can pop

2581
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:25,119
someone in

2582
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:28,400
i can okay never mind uh we have uh

2583
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:31,440
leslie kane on the line leslie how are

2584
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:32,800
you

2585
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:36,480
good thanks uh thanks for coming on we

2586
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:38,880
have a a bunch of people on we're having

2587
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:41,040
a good time i would say

2588
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:43,119
and so thank you for thank you for

2589
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,360
calling in leslie

2590
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:47,280
yeah i can always call back later if

2591
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:49,679
there's too many people waiting you know

2592
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:51,280
no that's all right everyone's patient

2593
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:52,880
right you'll you'll get to talk right is

2594
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:55,920
everyone everyone good okay yeah they're

2595
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:57,360
looking at me kind of angry but i think

2596
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:58,880
they're good

2597
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:00,800
i think we could clear the runway for

2598
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:03,840
leslie kane

2599
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:05,920
it's okay it's okay

2600
01:36:10,629 --> 01:36:08,400
so so leslie

2601
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,639
i wanted to thank you ralph was on but

2602
01:36:14,870 --> 01:36:12,800
unfortunately he didn't he didn't pop up

2603
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:14,880
um he didn't make it but i do want to

2604
01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:16,960
thank you you helped me uh

2605
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:19,199
uh you trusted me enough in the

2606
01:36:26,149 --> 01:36:24,629
i'm sorry

2607
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,159
yeah

2608
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:28,800
i i don't know who is this

2609
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:31,119
uh this i don't know what that was that

2610
01:36:36,070 --> 01:36:33,760
wasn't i don't know where that came from

2611
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:36,080
you can hear me now leslie right

2612
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:38,080
i do hear you but i'm not sure i know

2613
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,480
who you are unfortunately no this is

2614
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:42,560
martin willis yeah

2615
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:44,400
oh martin i didn't know because i aren't

2616
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:45,760
you on the show right i don't know i'm

2617
01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:48,880
confused i'm sorry i'm sorry yeah um i

2618
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:50,159
should have i should have announced that

2619
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:51,760
you were live on the show you were live

2620
01:36:55,669 --> 01:36:53,520
on the show

2621
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:55,679
am i on right now you are on right now

2622
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:58,159
and thank you okay awesome awesome i

2623
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:59,760
didn't realize what was going on here

2624
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:01,280
because somebody else was on the line so

2625
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:03,600
anyway martin i'm i'm gonna add my

2626
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:05,440
congratulations along with everybody

2627
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:06,400
else's

2628
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:07,920
and you've gotten a lot of them tonight

2629
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:10,560
you deserve them all um really really

2630
01:37:15,189 --> 01:37:12,960
great that you've done this for so long

2631
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:15,199
and you've had a lot of great a great

2632
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:17,440
diversity of people on your show from

2633
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,040
all these different areas and it's

2634
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:21,520
really great that there's a platform for

2635
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:22,880
so many different types of people to

2636
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,480
come forward and

2637
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:26,639
so thank you for doing what you do

2638
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:28,800
thank you leslie and i i do want to say

2639
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:31,360
a thank you as well because

2640
01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:34,000
um you you trusted me enough to connect

2641
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:36,159
me to chris mellon i was the first one

2642
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:38,080
to interview him about this topic as

2643
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:40,239
well as ralph blumenthal

2644
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:41,440
and uh

2645
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:43,280
i you know through you i got to

2646
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:44,719
interview these people and i really

2647
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:47,520
really appreciate your trust

2648
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:49,760
of course anytime i'm glad you were able

2649
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,679
to interview them

2650
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:53,840
i remember back in the days of remember

2651
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:56,480
that conference we met at in person back

2652
01:38:02,149 --> 01:38:00,320
in yeah 2013 maybe with the chilean the

2653
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:02,159
guy from the chilean government and uh

2654
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:02,960
that's

2655
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:04,960
the only time we've ever met in person

2656
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:06,639
that's right that was in north north

2657
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:08,800
carolina right yes

2658
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:11,360
yeah and i also appreciate your giving a

2659
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:13,360
platform to these you know the people

2660
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:15,119
from those other countries who came for

2661
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:16,880
that conference that was really

2662
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:17,840
important

2663
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:19,840
yes yeah that was that was great that

2664
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,840
was uh that was where i met alejandro

2665
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:23,440
rojas and i don't know where he is he

2666
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:25,520
was supposed to be popping in but uh

2667
01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:27,440
anyway um

2668
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:29,920
it's been a real pleasure and i hope to

2669
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:31,920
have you on the show when you can talk

2670
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:33,679
about stuff because i know you have a

2671
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:36,080
lot going on but i know how the uh the

2672
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:36,880
uh

2673
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:43,520
that'll be great to have you back on

2674
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:44,960
again when you can

2675
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:48,000
thanks it's not nba it's just like when

2676
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:49,520
i did that when i was involved with

2677
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:51,840
netflix theory surviving death i mean i

2678
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:53,440
wasn't allowed to talk about it until

2679
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:55,600
like a couple of weeks before it was

2680
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:58,480
announced or even aired you know

2681
01:39:02,790 --> 01:38:59,920
so i'm working on another project for a

2682
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:02,800
major network but i'm really upset about

2683
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:04,880
you keeping not talking about it so i

2684
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:06,400
just can't

2685
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:08,159
but it's going to be it's an exciting

2686
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:10,880
project coming along next year

2687
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:13,280
great great excellent well thank you

2688
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:15,199
leslie

2689
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:17,040
okay good to talk to you martin take

2690
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,719
care thank you all right you take care

2691
01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:20,239
too thank you

2692
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:22,719
okay bye bye

2693
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:25,440
all right let's see um all we have peggy

2694
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:27,760
peggy was uh contacted me she's on the

2695
01:39:32,629 --> 01:39:30,400
line as well and a few other people are

2696
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:32,639
too but um i'd like to squeeze them in

2697
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,679
when i can because peggy was

2698
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:37,520
one of my very first listeners and

2699
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:39,119
helped me out for many many years so

2700
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,719
i'll be bringing her on hopefully she'll

2701
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:42,560
hang in there for a while but i want to

2702
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,560
bring up um

2703
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:46,480
i can't remember who was next was it

2704
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,400
linda i think it was linda and then tony

2705
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:50,400
and ben hang in there tony and ben don't

2706
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:52,560
go anywhere

2707
01:39:56,590 --> 01:39:55,440
linda welcome to this pro thank you so

2708
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:56,600
much and

2709
01:40:01,669 --> 01:39:59,360
congratulations this amazing lineup of

2710
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:01,679
people i think is just a testament to

2711
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:04,480
the incredible work you've done so

2712
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:06,880
i'm a huge fan of the show

2713
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:08,480
and uh

2714
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,880
you've just done so much for the field

2715
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,239
uh thank you

2716
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:14,239
well thank you linda and it's always i

2717
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:15,760
love when you call in you've called in

2718
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,239
and asked some really great questions to

2719
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,239
guests and and you have your show is it

2720
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:22,400
once a month or something like that

2721
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:24,800
i don't know how you do it every week i

2722
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:27,920
do have uh ufo headquarters once a month

2723
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:30,480
and that's more than i can handle with

2724
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:33,280
everything else going on so for you to

2725
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:38,159
do this 52 weeks a year for 10 years is

2726
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,960
phenomenal i'm i'm in awe

2727
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:43,280
well thank you uh lee has to drop out

2728
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:44,880
lee thank you so much

2729
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:47,360
well thank you thank you it's been great

2730
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:49,760
seeing all these great faces

2731
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:52,320
some i know some i don't know some from

2732
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:53,760
very far away

2733
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,480
like irene david marlow who i just saw

2734
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:58,639
two days ago and i don't need to see him

2735
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:01,199
so soon

2736
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:02,480
but no it's great to see everyone

2737
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:07,040
congratulations to to you martin um

2738
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:09,520
may i be as fortunate as you over 10

2739
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:10,480
years

2740
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:13,440
um to do something like this as as well

2741
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:15,119
as you've done and i hope i look like

2742
01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:18,480
you in 10 years too

2743
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:21,119
you're too kind all right

2744
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:24,719
thank you thank you very much all right

2745
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:26,000
take care

2746
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:27,679
uh linda i don't know if you were done

2747
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:29,199
speaking

2748
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,239
oh i just wanted to thank you and uh

2749
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:34,080
keep keep up the good work you're an

2750
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:37,040
amazing resource uh as you know i'm

2751
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:39,679
always i'm always listening when i can

2752
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:41,199
and uh

2753
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:43,360
you've just created an archive of

2754
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:46,560
material here that uh i think is going

2755
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:49,119
to be a fabulous resource for the next

2756
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:51,280
generation thank you i think of that

2757
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:54,000
sometimes too you know and that's why i

2758
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:56,480
try to get as much good information out

2759
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:58,880
there you know as possible because you

2760
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:01,040
know for someone looking back you know i

2761
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:03,760
have like 300 some odd videos up on

2762
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:05,600
youtube of interviews and some of them

2763
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:07,520
are pretty interesting so but thank you

2764
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:08,560
very much

2765
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:10,880
and and speaking of that um for those

2766
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:12,639
listeners out there tomorrow will be

2767
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:15,679
episode number one it's a replay

2768
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:18,560
that will be up um on my

2769
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:20,960
uh youtube channel only and that's with

2770
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,159
stephen bass in my very first episode so

2771
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:26,320
and michael masters just joined michael

2772
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:27,679
hang in there i'll get to you in a

2773
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:28,400
minute

2774
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:30,960
thank you for joining and uh he coined

2775
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:33,440
the phrase what was that pod par

2776
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:35,679
no party pod that's what he said this is

2777
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:38,400
hashtag pod party hell yeah pod party

2778
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:42,239
that's it yes yeah um so first of all uh

2779
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:45,360
ben and tony how are you guys doing

2780
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:47,360
good how's it going and happy

2781
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:48,639
anniversary

2782
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:49,840
well thank you

2783
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:50,800
and

2784
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:52,800
you two have been on the show many times

2785
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:54,560
it's always been a lot of fun

2786
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:56,719
and we got to meet a couple of times and

2787
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:59,119
and uh you have been on all kinds of

2788
01:43:02,149 --> 01:43:00,639
things you have anything going on these

2789
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:02,159
days

2790
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:04,639
well we just spoke at uh mysteries of

2791
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:06,960
space and sky one of the oldest ufo

2792
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,560
conferences on the east coast i think

2793
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:11,040
it's been around for 28 years

2794
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:14,320
in maryland and uh

2795
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:17,840
we're there with colonel halt and um

2796
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:21,760
uh rob schweitek and the usual suspects

2797
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:24,080
that lounge around the dc area but uh

2798
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:25,440
yeah we uh

2799
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:27,760
we're doing some cases on our own and uh

2800
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:29,679
just uh

2801
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:31,040
trying to figure it out just like

2802
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:34,080
everybody else is yeah yeah how have you

2803
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:35,199
been tony

2804
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:36,480
good you know i was just thinking about

2805
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:39,360
the time that we were up in rey's attic

2806
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:40,880
sweating

2807
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:43,199
it was like 900 degrees

2808
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:45,440
912

2809
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:47,280
and uh i love how ray just popped his

2810
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:49,679
shirt right off

2811
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:50,840
yeah that's

2812
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:54,159
right yeah ray hadn't gained a an ounce

2813
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:57,199
of body weight in 84 years he just

2814
01:44:02,390 --> 01:43:59,199
maintains the same

2815
01:44:04,550 --> 01:44:02,400
i know i know and uh yeah it's something

2816
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,560
else but let me just see we

2817
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:06,560
i i need to get this collar in on the

2818
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:08,239
line uh that

2819
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:09,440
peggy

2820
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:12,480
it has been she was on my

2821
01:44:16,870 --> 01:44:15,199
let's see i think peggy contacted me

2822
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:16,880
real early on

2823
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:18,880
very early on i was about four shows and

2824
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:20,159
she was telling me i was doing

2825
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:22,000
everything wrong isn't that right peggy

2826
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:24,800
you're live on the show

2827
01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:28,000
and i haven't changed martin i know i

2828
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:30,239
know she told me the what for

2829
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:31,520
and uh

2830
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:39,669
yes it's all it's all your fault you

2831
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:41,679
helped me along the way so i do

2832
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:43,920
appreciate that congratulations sweetie

2833
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,679
wow 10 years

2834
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:47,520
i know i know i can't believe it it's

2835
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:49,600
hard to believe isn't it because i i

2836
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:52,639
think you started working in like 2012

2837
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,400
right

2838
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:55,840
i went back

2839
01:45:02,550 --> 01:44:58,239
shortly after we moved to las vegas and

2840
01:45:05,430 --> 01:45:02,560
we moved here in 2011 so yeah and and

2841
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:05,440
peggy you managed the facebook page

2842
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:08,000
did stuff every day for like eight years

2843
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:10,960
and you know seven years old

2844
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:12,400
i don't know why you did it but thank

2845
01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:19,270
because i have no life

2846
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:22,229
yeah but anyway it's uh it's funny peggy

2847
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:24,320
did i asked her to do it an experiment

2848
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:26,800
one time on facebook i said okay

2849
01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:29,199
put a picture up and then put a link to

2850
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:31,440
something else entirely different and

2851
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:33,600
let's see how many people will comment

2852
01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:35,920
about the link and sure enough everyone

2853
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:37,679
commented about the picture nobody even

2854
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:39,280
bothered to click the link it was

2855
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:40,719
perfect

2856
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:43,440
remember that yeah exactly remember that

2857
01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:46,239
yeah what i would like to know is

2858
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:49,920
why you haven't ate in 10 years

2859
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:53,600
well it's uh that really pisses me off

2860
01:45:58,870 --> 01:45:56,960
i'm sorry well yeah i'm a

2861
01:46:01,830 --> 01:45:58,880
honored to be hybrid with such

2862
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:01,840
illustrious guests my gosh all my

2863
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:03,440
favorites are on

2864
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:05,360
and it's uh it's amazing it's amazing

2865
01:46:09,109 --> 01:46:06,719
what you've done

2866
01:46:11,830 --> 01:46:09,119
and how you've persevered and how you

2867
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:11,840
have managed not to jump shark like so

2868
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:13,920
many in all these years

2869
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:16,400
oh well well thank you

2870
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:18,400
yeah i i know we've had a couple of

2871
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:21,840
conversations about um when people's you

2872
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:24,159
know phone conversations but when

2873
01:46:29,430 --> 01:46:26,320
people's material kind of gets tired and

2874
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:29,440
how they um they seem to have to

2875
01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:31,360
invent a little bit to make things make

2876
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:32,800
them more um

2877
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:43,580
i didn't hear that

2878
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:52,950
[Laughter]

2879
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:55,109
because i know you've got tons of people

2880
01:46:58,870 --> 01:46:56,960
but it's a great show and you're a great

2881
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:58,880
person the best thing to come out of

2882
01:47:01,830 --> 01:46:59,679
this

2883
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:01,840
was meeting you yes you're a wonderful

2884
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:02,800
friend

2885
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:04,719
oh thank you peggy that's very sweet of

2886
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:05,520
you

2887
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:10,709
yeah

2888
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:14,960
okay all right preston thank you so much

2889
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:16,320
for popping in

2890
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:18,080
all right nice to you yeah

2891
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,679
thanks for having me it's nice to see

2892
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:21,360
all these familiar faces and new friends

2893
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:24,080
and yeah it's awesome good luck for an

2894
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:26,159
hour 10 years all right

2895
01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:28,560
take care bye guys

2896
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,639
dave marlar i think you were next right

2897
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:33,199
and then michael masters after dave how

2898
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:35,520
are you doing well martin i'm just

2899
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:37,440
thought i was able to squeeze this in i

2900
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:39,760
just got off work and rushed home got on

2901
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:41,040
my computer and i was hoping i would

2902
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:42,639
catch you towards the end here at least

2903
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:44,080
a little bit and

2904
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:45,679
my god what the lineup you have here

2905
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:48,400
what what what a group of uh researchers

2906
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:49,199
uh

2907
01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:50,320
it i don't know if it's so much an

2908
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:53,360
anniversary as a ufo convention

2909
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:56,000
of sorts yeah it's kind of i just

2910
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:57,840
started sending out i didn't hear from a

2911
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,000
lot of people but i mean i was really

2912
01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:02,639
glad that um some people came in and

2913
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:05,600
this is uh dave o'leary david will be

2914
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:07,119
talking to you soon david o'leary from

2915
01:48:12,310 --> 01:48:09,440
project blue book just popped in

2916
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:12,320
um but yeah david uh

2917
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:14,560
you david marlar i'm talking to you

2918
01:48:19,030 --> 01:48:16,239
earlier but uh

2919
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:19,040
um i've always loved having you on the

2920
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:21,360
show you've all you always have

2921
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:24,000
such wonderful things to say and and and

2922
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:26,639
um i really love your integrity and i

2923
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:28,480
i'm glad that we have become friends

2924
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:30,159
over the years and

2925
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:32,800
and uh and you have been on the show i

2926
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:34,000
don't know how many times but it's

2927
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:35,679
always every single time it's very

2928
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:37,840
enjoyable well i always appreciate the

2929
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:40,080
opportunity as i've told you i think

2930
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:42,159
privately as well as on the show and i i

2931
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,000
speak for many people i think in this

2932
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,560
respect we can do our research but if we

2933
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,880
don't have a vehicle by which to share

2934
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:50,719
the information with the general public

2935
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:52,000
what good is it

2936
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:54,960
and so conferences and podcasts like

2937
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:56,320
yours with

2938
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,480
an extremely you know knowledgeable

2939
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,400
audience on the subject

2940
01:49:03,990 --> 01:49:02,320
i really think your audience shows a lot

2941
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,000
of discernment when it comes to the

2942
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:06,880
credible versus the non-credible and uh

2943
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:08,800
i have to tell you uh

2944
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:11,280
after hearing peggy i wish i could uh

2945
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:12,639
live a little closer to peggy i'd love

2946
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:14,000
to have a beer with her she sounds like

2947
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:16,400
she's a lot of fun so oh she's a blast

2948
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:18,480
she's a blast i mean she right away she

2949
01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:20,080
was like yelling at me on the phone when

2950
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:22,159
i first met her like why are you doing

2951
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:24,480
that for don't do that and uh no she

2952
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:27,440
really uh she's she's awesome but um i

2953
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,320
just want to just say because uh kgra is

2954
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:32,400
only going to be on for a short time and

2955
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:34,719
we have uh bobby was one of the

2956
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,679
uh early people that i met in this ufo

2957
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:39,760
field i met him at the north carolina

2958
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:42,400
conference i think it was 2013. bobby

2959
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:44,560
welcome to the show

2960
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:46,480
you're live hey how are you doing

2961
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,880
hey how you doing bobby congratulations

2962
01:49:51,589 --> 01:49:50,400
thank you

2963
01:49:55,510 --> 01:49:51,599
congrats

2964
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:55,520
um i'm just amazed by the level of the

2965
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:57,199
people that love you so much that are

2966
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:59,040
here tonight for you it's it's

2967
01:50:04,629 --> 01:50:01,360
mind-boggling it's like the

2968
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:04,639
beautiful ology it's absolutely amazing

2969
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:11,510
what's something you've done for me is

2970
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,840
one thing that you've done for me is

2971
01:50:17,430 --> 01:50:15,679
you know i read a lot of books my whole

2972
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:17,440
life about ufos and different ufo

2973
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:20,239
stories but you were able to bring

2974
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:22,000
um

2975
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:23,679
all these different stories to life for

2976
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,760
me like incident exeter

2977
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,199
travis walton

2978
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:29,520
um the pascagoula case the cast landrum

2979
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:31,199
case you actually found these people

2980
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:32,800
were able to interview them and it

2981
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:34,000
brought them to life it wasn't just

2982
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:36,080
something you read in a book and i'm

2983
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:38,800
humbled to be your friend well thank you

2984
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:40,159
so much

2985
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:42,800
thank you all right well i i gotta

2986
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:44,800
we're getting ready for uh

2987
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:46,880
the kgra's gotta drop off the line here

2988
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:49,520
so take care bobby

2989
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,310
uh we had our a blogger uh charles lear

2990
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:58,560
dropped out and i didn't get a chance to

2991
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:00,480
talk to him i'm going to try to

2992
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:03,679
uh going to try to uh

2993
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:06,400
reach back to him so i would like uh

2994
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:08,880
michael masters if you could

2995
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:10,880
how are you michael always i'm doing

2996
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:11,679
great

2997
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:14,560
yeah likewise cheers brother 10 years

2998
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:16,960
cheers to 10 years that's awesome i'm

2999
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:19,280
guessing that's not kool-aid in that

3000
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:21,599
no that is a fine french cognac my

3001
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:23,840
friend oh my goodness thank you thank

3002
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:25,840
you well it's actually not that fine

3003
01:51:29,669 --> 01:51:28,000
it's it's just tennessee i can't afford

3004
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:29,679
anything else but

3005
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:31,280
it's still damn good

3006
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:34,400
yeah but anyway michael uh i hung out

3007
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:37,119
with you out in phoenix i had such a fun

3008
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:39,360
time with you and uh it was it was a

3009
01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:41,840
blast but um how are you doing these

3010
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:43,119
days

3011
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:46,000
as far as uh yeah i'm doing well uh

3012
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:47,760
enough about me though how are you doing

3013
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,800
this is your your pod party no no but

3014
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:52,719
doing great i'm really happy that all

3015
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:54,320
these people showed up

3016
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,000
and uh it's been

3017
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:58,320
been a real blast now for those of you

3018
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,280
not familiar michael has an idea and

3019
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:03,840
it's just one of the many ideas that uh

3020
01:52:06,709 --> 01:52:05,280
it's possible

3021
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,719
do you want to just in a nutshell do

3022
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:08,000
that real quickly

3023
01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:09,840
what's your what's your yeah absolutely

3024
01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:11,760
i always preface it with the fact that

3025
01:52:16,070 --> 01:52:13,760
it's not my idea either because people

3026
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:16,080
have been advocating for this idea since

3027
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:18,719
the 1940s and probably earlier just that

3028
01:52:22,149 --> 01:52:19,599
uh

3029
01:52:24,669 --> 01:52:22,159
the aliens are time traveling humans

3030
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:24,679
from the future as opposed to

3031
01:52:29,830 --> 01:52:26,639
extraterrestrials at least part of the

3032
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:29,840
phenomenon though i don't uh preclude

3033
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:31,760
the extraterrestrial hypothesis or any

3034
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:33,040
of them i think

3035
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:34,400
with a

3036
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:36,239
phenomenon this mysterious and complex

3037
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:38,239
we should be considering every valid

3038
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:39,920
hypothesis so

3039
01:52:43,270 --> 01:52:41,199
it's just one of many and it's been

3040
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:43,280
around for a while i just took kind of a

3041
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:46,320
multi-disciplinary approach to it and um

3042
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:48,719
tried to look at as much as i could but

3043
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:50,639
not all of us are limited in what we can

3044
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:52,400
know about this so it's just one small

3045
01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:54,239
piece of the puzzle

3046
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:56,560
yeah we're we're just just to let you

3047
01:53:02,229 --> 01:52:58,880
know that uh that's the end of the show

3048
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:02,239
for kgra radio thank you so much bill

3049
01:53:06,709 --> 01:53:04,080
and let's see i'll just pop bill back in

3050
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:06,719
thank you bill for all you do

3051
01:53:11,910 --> 01:53:09,199
my pleasure martin have a great show

3052
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,920
all right all right take care bye-bye

3053
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:13,360
bye well that's not fair that i got the

3054
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:15,760
last word on your pod party

3055
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,480
well no that's just on on kgr a radio

3056
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:20,400
we're still we're so okay we're still

3057
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:22,080
doing this this will be on youtube and

3058
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:24,480
tell us i was gonna feel guilty about

3059
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:27,360
that if that was the last thing you said

3060
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:29,119
no well yeah no this is awesome i wanted

3061
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:31,119
to congratulate you i mean i can't

3062
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:34,719
imagine doing anything for 10 years um

3063
01:53:40,149 --> 01:53:37,199
like literally anything i i don't i get

3064
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:40,159
sick of things so fast so for you to to

3065
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:42,239
hammer down on it for 10 years and still

3066
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:44,400
be putting together fine content is is

3067
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:46,560
highly commendable so

3068
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:48,880
well done well done i will tell you you

3069
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:51,440
know that it there was a time

3070
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:52,960
where um

3071
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:55,440
i did think about quitting

3072
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:57,280
i would say about five years ago i

3073
01:54:01,109 --> 01:53:58,400
thought well

3074
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:01,119
you know maybe maybe it's time uh maybe

3075
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:02,719
it's run its course

3076
01:54:07,589 --> 01:54:05,520
and so i think anyone that does anything

3077
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:07,599
for any length of time will come up with

3078
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:09,040
those challenges

3079
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:11,199
and uh so

3080
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:13,440
uh the bottom line is i don't know what

3081
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:15,679
happened there was some feuding going on

3082
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,840
well often times in the ufo world

3083
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:19,440
there's some feuding going on here and

3084
01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:20,960
there it's weird to hear you say that

3085
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:22,159
i've never noticed that in this

3086
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:23,760
community it's

3087
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:25,920
that's news to me i mean yeah

3088
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:26,960
wow

3089
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:27,760
yeah

3090
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:29,440
i'm also unfamiliar

3091
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:30,639
yeah

3092
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:32,719
uh dave i'm gonna dave o'leary i'm gonna

3093
01:54:38,229 --> 01:54:34,880
bring you up next but first of all uh

3094
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:39,510
charles

3095
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:43,840
i i think he's having some internet

3096
01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:45,920
issues this is charles lear you can see

3097
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:47,760
his image there he he's been doing the

3098
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:48,800
blogs

3099
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:51,360
for several years now does a wonderful

3100
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:52,239
job

3101
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:55,119
and uh while he's gone for now so i want

3102
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:57,679
to bring up uh dave

3103
01:55:02,310 --> 01:54:59,679
o'leary how are you dave

3104
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:02,320
i'm doing good congratulations martin

3105
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:04,560
thanks for having me thank you thank you

3106
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:06,400
it was so fun hanging out with you a few

3107
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:10,000
weeks ago i know i know i i was looking

3108
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:11,840
i saw online like sort of the list of

3109
01:55:15,910 --> 01:55:14,080
the guests you have so

3110
01:55:17,109 --> 01:55:15,920
i think i can say where we were which

3111
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:17,119
was uh

3112
01:55:22,550 --> 01:55:19,760
our our friend bryce sables house and it

3113
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:22,560
was an absolute blast to see you

3114
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:25,679
and uh i just feel privileged to have to

3115
01:55:32,070 --> 01:55:28,400
be on and i see uh i see my man david

3116
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:32,080
marlar there as well so so nice to see a

3117
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:34,000
you know a few faces

3118
01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:34,960
uh

3119
01:55:40,550 --> 01:55:38,480
just want to say like a big

3120
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:40,560
congratulations to you i mean 10 years

3121
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:42,960
uh you know i think michael was saying

3122
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:44,960
it's hard to do anything

3123
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:46,880
for 10 years so

3124
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:48,320
that's right that's right big

3125
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:51,040
congratulations to you on on this uh

3126
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:52,239
milestone

3127
01:55:58,470 --> 01:55:55,360
thank you so after project blue book um

3128
01:56:00,709 --> 01:55:58,480
that that was uh what two seasons and

3129
01:56:02,229 --> 01:56:00,719
now now you have something can you talk

3130
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:02,239
a little bit about what you have going

3131
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:07,199
on i i i can sadly only sort of uh due

3132
01:56:11,350 --> 01:56:09,040
to certain like ndas and things like

3133
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:11,360
that very broadly but um

3134
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:14,080
i'm doing i'm back i'm back in the in

3135
01:56:18,709 --> 01:56:16,320
the rabbit hole with my project blue

3136
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:18,719
book cohort sean jablonski who wanted to

3137
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:20,800
be here today but unfortunately couldn't

3138
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:21,840
uh

3139
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:33,840
project was announced and um

3140
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:35,679
you know listen i mean this is this is a

3141
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:39,119
granddaddy huge case uh regardless on

3142
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:40,800
sort of where you fall

3143
01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:43,199
on sort of you know whether you believe

3144
01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:44,960
in the events that occurred or you're

3145
01:56:49,750 --> 01:56:48,159
more agnostic to what's happened uh

3146
01:56:51,589 --> 01:56:49,760
you know it's a it's a

3147
01:56:52,790 --> 01:56:51,599
sort of humbling

3148
01:56:57,669 --> 01:56:52,800
uh

3149
01:56:59,109 --> 01:56:57,679
going down this rabbit hole of examining

3150
01:57:02,390 --> 01:56:59,119
the roswell incident and bringing that

3151
01:57:05,030 --> 01:57:02,400
to to hopefully to a tv screen you know

3152
01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:05,040
in a dramatized way uh

3153
01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:09,520
you know uh soon so yep um well that's

3154
01:57:14,310 --> 01:57:11,920
that's good information now have you

3155
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:14,320
a good person to reach out to was on the

3156
01:57:17,830 --> 01:57:16,159
show earlier kevin randle he's he's

3157
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:17,840
someone that has done a lot of work on

3158
01:57:21,750 --> 01:57:19,760
that i'd be glad to help you make the

3159
01:57:24,070 --> 01:57:21,760
connection if you need to sure yes

3160
01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:24,080
that's the name i certainly know uh and

3161
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:26,800
have i've definitely read various uh you

3162
01:57:30,629 --> 01:57:28,320
know definitely read kevin before so

3163
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:30,639
thank thank you for that martin

3164
01:57:33,430 --> 01:57:32,159
that'd be amazing

3165
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:33,440
yeah um

3166
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:35,840
yeah i feel i feel uh you know i know

3167
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:37,520
that i'm we're on the horn here with so

3168
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:40,000
many wonderful researchers and hard my

3169
01:57:44,709 --> 01:57:43,040
heart you know so obviously

3170
01:57:46,870 --> 01:57:44,719
you know i'm a screenwriter i come at it

3171
01:57:49,669 --> 01:57:46,880
in a slightly different approach

3172
01:57:53,030 --> 01:57:49,679
but i i am a you know i hope everyone

3173
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:53,040
knows a big a big uh

3174
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:55,040
you know just i love gobbling up

3175
01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:58,080
information on ufos so i i was i was

3176
01:58:02,310 --> 01:57:59,520
geeking out a little when michael was

3177
01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:02,320
talking about sort of the the time us in

3178
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:03,599
the future

3179
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:06,400
hypothesis is one that i've i've

3180
01:58:10,709 --> 01:58:08,560
explored as well just in my you know

3181
01:58:13,030 --> 01:58:10,719
i've always felt that that some that

3182
01:58:14,149 --> 01:58:13,040
that rang true for me so i

3183
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:14,159
uh

3184
01:58:17,990 --> 01:58:15,119
you know

3185
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:18,000
it's just another just an interesting uh

3186
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:20,159
viewpoint into the phenomena so i was

3187
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:22,080
enjoying hearing a little bit about

3188
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:24,800
about that perspective um

3189
01:58:31,030 --> 01:58:27,920
yes yeah i would like to uh

3190
01:58:32,950 --> 01:58:31,040
open this uh this whole thing up for if

3191
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:32,960
anyone would like to tackle

3192
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:35,520
like a certain topic one of the things

3193
01:58:39,910 --> 01:58:37,679
that that people are one of the

3194
01:58:42,229 --> 01:58:39,920
questions i had in the very beginning is

3195
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:42,239
you know what are they

3196
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:44,239
what do they want from us does any i

3197
01:58:48,390 --> 01:58:46,320
thought it would be fun i just occurred

3198
01:58:51,030 --> 01:58:48,400
to me if anyone wants to maybe we can do

3199
01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:51,040
kind of a round robin if anyone because

3200
01:58:54,470 --> 01:58:53,599
that's one thing after doing the 480

3201
01:58:55,830 --> 01:58:54,480
shows

3202
01:58:58,550 --> 01:58:55,840
is uh

3203
01:59:00,709 --> 01:58:58,560
i've heard so many different ideas on

3204
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:00,719
what they are michael who's with us

3205
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:03,599
that's definitely a an idea that

3206
01:59:08,310 --> 01:59:06,239
is different from a lot of uh you know

3207
01:59:10,390 --> 01:59:08,320
the mainstream thoughts of

3208
01:59:12,310 --> 01:59:10,400
what these objects are i don't know if

3209
01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:12,320
anyone wants to tackle

3210
01:59:22,950 --> 01:59:14,480
um

3211
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:22,960
you know it's interesting because the

3212
01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:24,400
you know the government released the

3213
01:59:29,350 --> 01:59:26,639
nine page which was actually seven page

3214
01:59:30,629 --> 01:59:29,360
document uh that they released was

3215
01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:30,639
kind of what i thought it would be a

3216
01:59:35,910 --> 01:59:33,199
nothing burger but um

3217
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:35,920
and the scary thing about that was they

3218
01:59:40,470 --> 01:59:38,000
hinted that it was adversaries instead

3219
01:59:41,990 --> 01:59:40,480
of e.t which is scarier than the than

3220
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:42,000
the reverse

3221
01:59:48,629 --> 01:59:46,480
but tony and i you know were at a

3222
01:59:51,669 --> 01:59:48,639
a conference once where

3223
01:59:54,790 --> 01:59:51,679
we were talking to a military person who

3224
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:54,800
had the highest authority of clearance

3225
01:59:58,790 --> 01:59:56,960
to look into all the different

3226
02:00:00,950 --> 01:59:58,800
intelligence agencies

3227
02:00:01,910 --> 02:00:00,960
and i'll never forget what he said at

3228
02:00:06,310 --> 02:00:01,920
that

3229
02:00:08,709 --> 02:00:06,320
what did you find out

3230
02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:08,719
and he said that at the very top of the

3231
02:00:14,790 --> 02:00:11,360
hierarchy of who runs you know if it's

3232
02:00:15,990 --> 02:00:14,800
bildenberg's or whatever runs everything

3233
02:00:18,070 --> 02:00:16,000
he said

3234
02:00:19,589 --> 02:00:18,080
we're not in charge and i i said what do

3235
02:00:22,070 --> 02:00:19,599
you mean we're not in charge and all he

3236
02:00:24,470 --> 02:00:22,080
did was roll his eyes up like he was

3237
02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:24,480
inferring that an e.t presence was in

3238
02:00:27,350 --> 02:00:26,480
charge and so

3239
02:00:29,589 --> 02:00:27,360
if

3240
02:00:32,229 --> 02:00:29,599
this whole thing is something that as

3241
02:00:33,830 --> 02:00:32,239
some people described as something you

3242
02:00:36,310 --> 02:00:33,840
really wouldn't want to know the answer

3243
02:00:38,310 --> 02:00:36,320
because it would be so terrifying or it

3244
02:00:41,270 --> 02:00:38,320
would blow away your your perception of

3245
02:00:43,990 --> 02:00:41,280
reality and what how the world works

3246
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:44,000
then that makes sense in in a couple of

3247
02:00:46,629 --> 02:00:45,360
ways because first of all i don't

3248
02:00:48,149 --> 02:00:46,639
believe in disclosure because i don't

3249
02:00:50,470 --> 02:00:48,159
think they're ever going to say

3250
02:00:52,709 --> 02:00:50,480
we've been lying to you for 70 years but

3251
02:00:55,990 --> 02:00:52,719
if they don't know what it is or they do

3252
02:00:57,990 --> 02:00:56,000
know what it is and it's so terrifying

3253
02:00:59,589 --> 02:00:58,000
that they don't want to tell anybody and

3254
02:01:01,109 --> 02:00:59,599
that's the real reason why they'll never

3255
02:01:04,149 --> 02:01:01,119
be disclosure

3256
02:01:05,990 --> 02:01:04,159
then that's even scarier so

3257
02:01:07,910 --> 02:01:06,000
all the theories that have come out all

3258
02:01:09,990 --> 02:01:07,920
may be true it could be interdimensional

3259
02:01:12,149 --> 02:01:10,000
it could be time travelers it could be

3260
02:01:14,310 --> 02:01:12,159
species from other planets but

3261
02:01:16,629 --> 02:01:14,320
you know i tend to think that it's you

3262
02:01:18,950 --> 02:01:16,639
know there's multiple sources of life

3263
02:01:21,430 --> 02:01:18,960
out there and they're obviously visiting

3264
02:01:22,709 --> 02:01:21,440
us so i like the e.t

3265
02:01:25,030 --> 02:01:22,719
hypothesis

3266
02:01:26,470 --> 02:01:25,040
but the fact that somebody really deep

3267
02:01:29,510 --> 02:01:26,480
inside the government said that we're

3268
02:01:31,750 --> 02:01:29,520
not in control of our own destiny

3269
02:01:33,430 --> 02:01:31,760
if that's the truth that's scarier than

3270
02:01:34,950 --> 02:01:33,440
anything i've ever run across in

3271
02:01:37,189 --> 02:01:34,960
research

3272
02:01:39,350 --> 02:01:37,199
one of the things i don't know if anyone

3273
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:39,360
watched the interview with uh kurt the

3274
02:01:43,030 --> 02:01:41,760
theory of everything interviewed lou

3275
02:01:45,910 --> 02:01:43,040
elizondo

3276
02:01:48,390 --> 02:01:45,920
and he posed an interesting question and

3277
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:48,400
uh and that was

3278
02:01:52,950 --> 02:01:51,360
what if there's some intelligence here

3279
02:01:55,030 --> 02:01:52,960
what if we're not the top of the food

3280
02:01:56,950 --> 02:01:55,040
chain something's highly intelligent

3281
02:01:58,870 --> 02:01:56,960
what if that's part of this that

3282
02:02:01,270 --> 02:01:58,880
something is here and has been here all

3283
02:02:03,910 --> 02:02:01,280
along but we don't

3284
02:02:05,589 --> 02:02:03,920
see them we don't see them for whatever

3285
02:02:07,189 --> 02:02:05,599
reason i thought that was

3286
02:02:09,589 --> 02:02:07,199
it was kind of uh

3287
02:02:11,830 --> 02:02:09,599
you know kind of eerie to hear that but

3288
02:02:13,510 --> 02:02:11,840
uh there's also i don't know if anyone

3289
02:02:15,270 --> 02:02:13,520
has followed this as a woman i think her

3290
02:02:16,709 --> 02:02:15,280
name is something like italy she worked

3291
02:02:18,709 --> 02:02:16,719
for the government

3292
02:02:21,669 --> 02:02:18,719
supposedly and she says that she's going

3293
02:02:23,350 --> 02:02:21,679
to have a talk with the beings

3294
02:02:25,750 --> 02:02:23,360
underground i don't know has anyone

3295
02:02:27,750 --> 02:02:25,760
followed that and that they're

3296
02:02:30,070 --> 02:02:27,760
uh it's pretty i think that expedition

3297
02:02:31,109 --> 02:02:30,080
has been canceled as of now it was

3298
02:02:33,430 --> 02:02:31,119
cancelled

3299
02:02:35,350 --> 02:02:33,440
or postponed like all the doomsday's day

3300
02:02:36,470 --> 02:02:35,360
or something to do you know like uh

3301
02:02:37,910 --> 02:02:36,480
maybe uh

3302
02:02:39,109 --> 02:02:37,920
maybe a little postpone it to another

3303
02:02:41,990 --> 02:02:39,119
date but she was kicked out of the

3304
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:42,000
property or something but anyway um any

3305
02:02:47,189 --> 02:02:45,040
other takes on what they could be

3306
02:02:49,830 --> 02:02:47,199
or any other topics uh we have such a

3307
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:49,840
great group here i'd love to the only

3308
02:02:53,109 --> 02:02:51,840
one that's ever come up to me and this

3309
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:53,119
is a this

3310
02:02:57,910 --> 02:02:55,679
this is a weird one but i you know i got

3311
02:03:01,430 --> 02:02:57,920
interested for a while in sort of the

3312
02:03:05,430 --> 02:03:01,440
simulated reality hypothesis i read a

3313
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:05,440
book i have it here uh where is it uh

3314
02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:07,440
but it basically kind of looks uh i

3315
02:03:11,109 --> 02:03:09,360
can't find it now on my shelf but it

3316
02:03:12,790 --> 02:03:11,119
sort of looks at the simulated reality

3317
02:03:14,709 --> 02:03:12,800
hypothesis through a sort of a

3318
02:03:15,830 --> 02:03:14,719
multi-disciplinary

3319
02:03:17,270 --> 02:03:15,840
uh

3320
02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:17,280
lens

3321
02:03:24,149 --> 02:03:19,920
and in that book they kind of talked

3322
02:03:26,790 --> 02:03:24,159
about ufos uh sort of as

3323
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:26,800
you know the game masters interacting

3324
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:29,440
with the game sphere kind of a thing

3325
02:03:39,990 --> 02:03:37,350
there's just you know food for fodder i

3326
02:03:41,669 --> 02:03:40,000
guess a sort of like

3327
02:03:42,790 --> 02:03:41,679
simulation

3328
02:03:45,990 --> 02:03:42,800
and

3329
02:03:48,390 --> 02:03:46,000
hypothesis to believe in ufos look at it

3330
02:03:50,470 --> 02:03:48,400
through the lens of like

3331
02:03:52,229 --> 02:03:50,480
yeah this other intelligence that is

3332
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:52,239
essentially

3333
02:03:55,750 --> 02:03:53,360
uh

3334
02:03:57,589 --> 02:03:55,760
right you know maybe behind what life is

3335
02:03:59,669 --> 02:03:57,599
like we are avatars and they are viewing

3336
02:04:02,149 --> 02:03:59,679
it through us that somehow ufos are

3337
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:02,159
involved in that so i throw it out there

3338
02:04:07,350 --> 02:04:05,440
just to just to add more uh

3339
02:04:09,030 --> 02:04:07,360
layers to this thing but

3340
02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:09,040
something that always sort of

3341
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:11,040
stuck with me is like wow that's that's

3342
02:04:15,189 --> 02:04:13,520
a different one that i hadn't you know

3343
02:04:17,270 --> 02:04:15,199
heard of yeah

3344
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:17,280
anyone else

3345
02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:19,920
on that well i guess i'll take a quick

3346
02:04:24,709 --> 02:04:21,760
stab um

3347
02:04:26,709 --> 02:04:24,719
i have a i have a more i think mundane

3348
02:04:29,589 --> 02:04:26,719
view of it um

3349
02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:29,599
we are explorers and

3350
02:04:34,390 --> 02:04:32,400
we when we get the technology we'll be

3351
02:04:37,350 --> 02:04:34,400
doing exactly

3352
02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:37,360
what we see being done to us on other

3353
02:04:41,430 --> 02:04:40,320
planets when we get there uh i have no

3354
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:41,440
problem

3355
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,000
with the idea it's

3356
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:46,560
different intelligences whether it's

3357
02:04:51,350 --> 02:04:49,760
interdimensional nuts and bolts craft or

3358
02:04:52,390 --> 02:04:51,360
a combination

3359
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:52,400
um

3360
02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:55,360
where where the lab animals for them to

3361
02:04:59,830 --> 02:04:56,320
study

3362
02:05:01,990 --> 02:04:59,840
and uh i don't feel there's any threat

3363
02:05:04,470 --> 02:05:02,000
because we would have been

3364
02:05:07,750 --> 02:05:04,480
toast a long time ago

3365
02:05:08,629 --> 02:05:07,760
if that was their intention um

3366
02:05:10,790 --> 02:05:08,639
so

3367
02:05:12,229 --> 02:05:10,800
i looked at is it a great opportunity

3368
02:05:14,470 --> 02:05:12,239
that maybe

3369
02:05:17,189 --> 02:05:14,480
maybe someday they will

3370
02:05:20,149 --> 02:05:17,199
land on that proverbial white house lawn

3371
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:20,159
and finally feel it's time to openly

3372
02:05:28,550 --> 02:05:27,109
can i say

3373
02:05:30,790 --> 02:05:28,560
i kind of agree with that i think

3374
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:30,800
they're i think that we are likely to be

3375
02:05:37,109 --> 02:05:35,599
their pets lab animals for sure um i

3376
02:05:38,950 --> 02:05:37,119
anybody who knows me

3377
02:05:40,870 --> 02:05:38,960
knows that i'm a fan of valet and i read

3378
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:40,880
a lot of his stuff

3379
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:43,599
and um recently re-read something where

3380
02:05:55,589 --> 02:05:44,880
he

3381
02:05:57,510 --> 02:05:55,599
whatever we're seeing whatever we're

3382
02:05:58,870 --> 02:05:57,520
immersed in as far as a phenomenon is

3383
02:06:00,950 --> 02:05:58,880
concerned

3384
02:06:03,750 --> 02:06:00,960
ufo's high strangeness

3385
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:03,760
it's um something that he believes is

3386
02:06:07,830 --> 02:06:06,719
created to divert us from

3387
02:06:10,069 --> 02:06:07,840
who they really are and what they're

3388
02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:10,079
really doing so

3389
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:11,840
hence the analogy of we're looking at

3390
02:06:16,709 --> 02:06:14,400
the projection we're experiencing

3391
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:16,719
something like a film but he wants to

3392
02:06:21,189 --> 02:06:18,719
get to who it is that's behind the

3393
02:06:23,910 --> 02:06:21,199
projection that we're seeing

3394
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:23,920
it's interesting with their pets

3395
02:06:30,149 --> 02:06:26,800
yeah i just got a text linda from from

3396
02:06:32,629 --> 02:06:30,159
dean alioto he thinks you're dead on um

3397
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:32,639
he was on earlier you know i i mentioned

3398
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:35,199
this on my very first show and um i'll

3399
02:06:38,709 --> 02:06:36,800
just bring it up because i don't know if

3400
02:06:40,149 --> 02:06:38,719
you ever heard me talk about this but

3401
02:06:44,629 --> 02:06:40,159
i've talked about it a few times over

3402
02:06:46,470 --> 02:06:44,639
the years and that's before i was um

3403
02:06:50,069 --> 02:06:46,480
before i was even really looking into

3404
02:06:51,830 --> 02:06:50,079
this topic deeply in any type of way

3405
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:51,840
i had an insurance broker back in the

3406
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:54,800
1990s who came by my house to sell a

3407
02:06:57,669 --> 02:06:56,320
life insurance policy and we got to

3408
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:57,679
talking about all different types of

3409
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:58,480
things

3410
02:07:02,709 --> 02:07:01,280
and then eventually he somehow we

3411
02:07:04,069 --> 02:07:02,719
he said he was in vietnam and i said

3412
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:04,079
well what did you do

3413
02:07:07,750 --> 02:07:05,840
what did you do in vietnam exactly were

3414
02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:07,760
you in combat and you kind of like

3415
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:09,760
chuckled and said no actually i was in a

3416
02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:12,960
a special task force in the air force

3417
02:07:16,149 --> 02:07:14,480
studying he says are you ready for this

3418
02:07:18,709 --> 02:07:16,159
studying ufos

3419
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:18,719
so i said oh really and you know again

3420
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:20,000
at this time i didn't really have much

3421
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:22,480
of an interest and he said yes they were

3422
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:25,040
showing up during napalming

3423
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:27,840
and they were uh

3424
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:30,239
and then he went on you know and also

3425
02:07:35,109 --> 02:07:31,840
they have an interest in our nuclear

3426
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:35,119
weapons and things like that so anyway i

3427
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:37,040
i you know i had known this guy for a

3428
02:07:43,109 --> 02:07:40,800
while but um interestingly enough you

3429
02:07:44,390 --> 02:07:43,119
know he seemed pretty well versed in the

3430
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:44,400
whole topic

3431
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:46,000
and i've been trying to find him and i

3432
02:07:48,790 --> 02:07:47,520
can't but one of the things i said to

3433
02:07:51,189 --> 02:07:48,800
him well

3434
02:07:52,470 --> 02:07:51,199
why why does it what does the government

3435
02:07:53,750 --> 02:07:52,480
think they're about what does the

3436
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:53,760
government think

3437
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:54,880
of them

3438
02:08:00,069 --> 02:07:56,400
why they're here

3439
02:08:00,950 --> 02:08:00,079
and he said we're basically a petri dish

3440
02:08:07,510 --> 02:08:00,960
and

3441
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:07,520
another

3442
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:11,199
theory and again i've tried to find this

3443
02:08:14,870 --> 02:08:12,480
guy i would love to be able to talk to

3444
02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:14,880
him today but um i can't i can't find

3445
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:16,800
him i don't know i knew he had like a

3446
02:08:19,910 --> 02:08:18,639
tuna fishing boat or something and i

3447
02:08:22,629 --> 02:08:19,920
know his name

3448
02:08:24,390 --> 02:08:22,639
um but i i can't i can't seem to locate

3449
02:08:26,709 --> 02:08:24,400
him i'd love to talk i feel like you

3450
02:08:29,589 --> 02:08:26,719
watched forrest gump and then

3451
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:29,599
confused some some aspects of reality

3452
02:08:34,470 --> 02:08:31,599
maybe there like they always say about

3453
02:08:36,149 --> 02:08:34,480
the contact these and abductees where

3454
02:08:38,709 --> 02:08:36,159
they uh they smoked a joint and then

3455
02:08:41,189 --> 02:08:38,719
imagined everything

3456
02:08:45,189 --> 02:08:42,709
but i think

3457
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:45,199
you've seen foreign i guess it was a

3458
02:08:50,550 --> 02:08:46,960
shrimp boat yeah that's right the

3459
02:08:52,790 --> 02:08:50,560
fishing boat but but i did uh i do think

3460
02:08:54,629 --> 02:08:52,800
this might have been pre gump

3461
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:54,639
all right not positive well you could

3462
02:08:59,589 --> 02:08:56,639
have always retrospectively imposed

3463
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:59,599
those ideas which i also hear

3464
02:09:03,189 --> 02:09:01,199
it's ridiculous though like if these

3465
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:03,199
people are having these experiences it

3466
02:09:07,910 --> 02:09:05,599
doesn't matter how many hits of acid you

3467
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,920
take how many joints you smoke how many

3468
02:09:11,669 --> 02:09:09,679
times you watch closing counts of the

3469
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:11,679
third kind that's a real experience for

3470
02:09:14,229 --> 02:09:12,400
you

3471
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:14,239
and we need to recognize that as a real

3472
02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:16,079
thing that happened to these people and

3473
02:09:20,950 --> 02:09:18,800
stop demonizing them and ostracizing

3474
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:20,960
them for these things that they're brave

3475
02:09:23,830 --> 02:09:22,320
enough to

3476
02:09:25,270 --> 02:09:23,840
but i've i've never had an experience

3477
02:09:26,390 --> 02:09:25,280
with maybe it's easier for me to say

3478
02:09:27,510 --> 02:09:26,400
that but

3479
02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:27,520
i don't know

3480
02:09:33,270 --> 02:09:29,760
yeah i think we can learn a lot no i i

3481
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:33,280
think it and it's it's really

3482
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:34,400
interesting

3483
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:36,079
that all the people i've met over the

3484
02:09:40,229 --> 02:09:37,360
years that

3485
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:40,239
have never had a ufo experience and and

3486
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:42,639
still think this is uh an amazing topic

3487
02:09:45,430 --> 02:09:44,639
and and still take it seriously there's

3488
02:09:46,390 --> 02:09:45,440
dave

3489
02:09:48,870 --> 02:09:46,400
hello

3490
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:48,880
yeah he's back yeah

3491
02:09:54,550 --> 02:09:51,280
upstairs while you were gone we just

3492
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:54,560
solved the whole problem it's over well

3493
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:55,760
every day

3494
02:09:59,430 --> 02:09:57,280
i've got other hobbies that are easier

3495
02:10:01,189 --> 02:09:59,440
to tackle that's right what do you do

3496
02:10:02,629 --> 02:10:01,199
with your archives now

3497
02:10:04,790 --> 02:10:02,639
i'll give it to you and m they're

3498
02:10:07,109 --> 02:10:04,800
waiting for it

3499
02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:07,119
i do like the idea uh and someone we

3500
02:10:12,069 --> 02:10:10,480
talk about on my show is avon newman pro

3501
02:10:14,229 --> 02:10:12,079
and this idea that an advanced

3502
02:10:16,950 --> 02:10:14,239
civilization would create a probe like

3503
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:16,960
we do like we send to mars or any other

3504
02:10:20,550 --> 02:10:18,480
celestial body

3505
02:10:22,790 --> 02:10:20,560
and when the probe gets there

3506
02:10:24,470 --> 02:10:22,800
it's able to replicate itself and create

3507
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:24,480
matter and then move on to the next

3508
02:10:29,030 --> 02:10:26,159
solar system and

3509
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:29,040
over a few thousand light years you know

3510
02:10:33,189 --> 02:10:31,440
you can explore a really

3511
02:10:36,470 --> 02:10:33,199
big chunk of your own galaxy and

3512
02:10:38,790 --> 02:10:36,480
possibly even more by these you know

3513
02:10:41,270 --> 02:10:38,800
self-replicating machines

3514
02:10:44,629 --> 02:10:41,280
um it doesn't explain really you know

3515
02:10:47,270 --> 02:10:44,639
the abduction aspect of it uh very well

3516
02:10:49,270 --> 02:10:47,280
um but it's it is something fun that i i

3517
02:10:50,629 --> 02:10:49,280
do find fun to think about

3518
02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:50,639
what did you say that was i'm gonna

3519
02:11:03,669 --> 02:11:01,669
that came out on that not long ago yeah

3520
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:03,679
i had a i had a gentleman named chris

3521
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:05,840
pittman he's considered he's been in a

3522
02:11:10,550 --> 02:11:07,920
you know the phenomenon a few other uh

3523
02:11:12,390 --> 02:11:10,560
films but he's been looking at the ufo

3524
02:11:15,109 --> 02:11:12,400
topic for many years

3525
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:15,119
and i was very surprised to hear him say

3526
02:11:18,709 --> 02:11:16,800
that

3527
02:11:21,510 --> 02:11:18,719
the question came in the chat room with

3528
02:11:23,990 --> 02:11:21,520
what well what do you think they are

3529
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:24,000
and uh he said well i think they've

3530
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:25,520
always been here

3531
02:11:29,430 --> 02:11:27,760
and you're they're just part of like an

3532
02:11:31,990 --> 02:11:29,440
energy or something

3533
02:11:34,229 --> 02:11:32,000
and that manifests itself it was quite a

3534
02:11:36,709 --> 02:11:34,239
quite a fascinating uh quite a

3535
02:11:38,149 --> 02:11:36,719
fascinating idea of that he had and

3536
02:11:39,910 --> 02:11:38,159
that's that's one of the things that

3537
02:11:41,910 --> 02:11:39,920
keeps me going in the show

3538
02:11:44,149 --> 02:11:41,920
is talking to people and listening to

3539
02:11:46,149 --> 02:11:44,159
all the ideas of what

3540
02:11:47,109 --> 02:11:46,159
the possibilities are it's fascinating

3541
02:11:48,790 --> 02:11:47,119
to me

3542
02:11:49,669 --> 02:11:48,800
you know martin if i if i can pitch in

3543
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:49,679
on this

3544
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:51,360
yeah

3545
02:11:56,069 --> 02:11:53,040
believe me the last few months has

3546
02:11:58,069 --> 02:11:56,079
caused me to rethink a lot of

3547
02:12:00,950 --> 02:11:58,079
not just

3548
02:12:02,069 --> 02:12:00,960
the phenomenon but the people

3549
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:02,079
and how much

3550
02:12:05,270 --> 02:12:03,599
what i've noticed here and just those of

3551
02:12:07,910 --> 02:12:05,280
us speaking trying to come up with

3552
02:12:09,910 --> 02:12:07,920
possible theories is

3553
02:12:11,430 --> 02:12:09,920
nobody really knows

3554
02:12:13,669 --> 02:12:11,440
each of those

3555
02:12:15,669 --> 02:12:13,679
i tend to go and i kind of appreciated

3556
02:12:17,830 --> 02:12:15,679
at least linda's perspective which is

3557
02:12:20,790 --> 02:12:17,840
occam's razor

3558
02:12:22,629 --> 02:12:20,800
shows that what we're doing

3559
02:12:25,030 --> 02:12:22,639
another intelligent species very likely

3560
02:12:27,750 --> 02:12:25,040
might do the same so and some of the

3561
02:12:30,790 --> 02:12:27,760
cases that i've looked into do suggest

3562
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:30,800
obviously physical objects land and move

3563
02:12:36,069 --> 02:12:32,880
the soil and do whatever

3564
02:12:37,910 --> 02:12:36,079
but if they're time travelers i mean

3565
02:12:39,510 --> 02:12:37,920
at some point if you reach a

3566
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:39,520
technological state

3567
02:12:42,709 --> 02:12:41,119
and the universe has been around as long

3568
02:12:44,790 --> 02:12:42,719
as it has

3569
02:12:47,589 --> 02:12:44,800
it would be naive to not assume that we

3570
02:12:49,910 --> 02:12:47,599
may be getting a mixture of things

3571
02:12:51,430 --> 02:12:49,920
some that are travelers like us

3572
02:12:54,149 --> 02:12:51,440
some

3573
02:12:56,149 --> 02:12:54,159
that are more advanced than even them

3574
02:12:58,149 --> 02:12:56,159
some that may reach a level that we

3575
02:13:00,149 --> 02:12:58,159
would almost have to call

3576
02:13:01,589 --> 02:13:00,159
spiritual or magic because we can't

3577
02:13:02,950 --> 02:13:01,599
conceive

3578
02:13:04,550 --> 02:13:02,960
but then the only ones that we can

3579
02:13:05,990 --> 02:13:04,560
interact with are the ones that at some

3580
02:13:08,310 --> 02:13:06,000
point enter

3581
02:13:10,149 --> 02:13:08,320
our level of what we call reality where

3582
02:13:13,430 --> 02:13:10,159
our instruments and our

3583
02:13:15,669 --> 02:13:13,440
equipment can can actually test for them

3584
02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:15,679
and i don't deny anything

3585
02:13:20,709 --> 02:13:18,560
but what i also have come to realize is

3586
02:13:22,550 --> 02:13:20,719
people tend to invest a lot in what they

3587
02:13:24,069 --> 02:13:22,560
say they know

3588
02:13:25,109 --> 02:13:24,079
when really there are things that we

3589
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:25,119
think

3590
02:13:30,790 --> 02:13:27,920
and things that we believe and i'm a big

3591
02:13:32,310 --> 02:13:30,800
you know sometimes leave belief alone

3592
02:13:34,069 --> 02:13:32,320
if it helps people and they need it

3593
02:13:36,149 --> 02:13:34,079
leave it alone from a psychology

3594
02:13:38,390 --> 02:13:36,159
perspective

3595
02:13:40,470 --> 02:13:38,400
but there are beliefs that end up which

3596
02:13:42,709 --> 02:13:40,480
we've seen over the past year or two

3597
02:13:45,030 --> 02:13:42,719
that can end up going awry and leading

3598
02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:45,040
people into areas and unfortunately

3599
02:13:48,310 --> 02:13:46,880
there are people who will want to

3600
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:48,320
mislead you

3601
02:13:52,470 --> 02:13:50,239
because of their whether you call a

3602
02:13:54,069 --> 02:13:52,480
cultist or con man

3603
02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:54,079
that's a dangerous thing if you're not

3604
02:13:58,069 --> 02:13:55,440
willing to look yourself in the mirror

3605
02:13:59,910 --> 02:13:58,079
and weigh your own beliefs and what

3606
02:14:01,109 --> 02:13:59,920
against what you think and you're

3607
02:14:03,270 --> 02:14:01,119
entitled to

3608
02:14:04,950 --> 02:14:03,280
and to claim what you know i mean i've

3609
02:14:05,910 --> 02:14:04,960
decided there's only one or two things

3610
02:14:09,589 --> 02:14:05,920
that i

3611
02:14:13,669 --> 02:14:11,430
beyond that

3612
02:14:15,750 --> 02:14:13,679
everybody's level of proof is what now

3613
02:14:17,109 --> 02:14:15,760
you mentioned kurt um his podcast and he

3614
02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:17,119
made a point he said in science there's

3615
02:14:21,750 --> 02:14:20,159
no proof there's just evidence

3616
02:14:23,270 --> 02:14:21,760
what people say they know and what they

3617
02:14:24,550 --> 02:14:23,280
believe they can prove and what they

3618
02:14:26,069 --> 02:14:24,560
accept

3619
02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:26,079
that's the difficult thing because in a

3620
02:14:29,350 --> 02:14:28,000
way we all have to kind of come to terms

3621
02:14:31,270 --> 02:14:29,360
with each other

3622
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:31,280
and acknowledge that there's limits on

3623
02:14:35,750 --> 02:14:34,000
what we actually do know

3624
02:14:38,229 --> 02:14:35,760
and then we each have some preferred

3625
02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:38,239
beliefs things that we hope

3626
02:14:41,589 --> 02:14:39,440
but

3627
02:14:43,750 --> 02:14:41,599
unfortunately i found that too often

3628
02:14:45,109 --> 02:14:43,760
there are people who have beliefs or

3629
02:14:47,430 --> 02:14:45,119
their own personal feelings or

3630
02:14:49,990 --> 02:14:47,440
animosities or whatever it is

3631
02:14:51,750 --> 02:14:50,000
and they tend to want to shut down

3632
02:14:53,430 --> 02:14:51,760
someone else's approach or some other

3633
02:14:55,510 --> 02:14:53,440
perspective on it

3634
02:14:57,589 --> 02:14:55,520
and it's you know the old saying i i we

3635
02:14:59,990 --> 02:14:57,599
have seen the enemy and it is us

3636
02:15:01,510 --> 02:15:00,000
but to a great extent our own ignorance

3637
02:15:04,470 --> 02:15:01,520
and wanting to

3638
02:15:05,430 --> 02:15:04,480
feel that we've got a grip on something

3639
02:15:07,030 --> 02:15:05,440
and

3640
02:15:10,390 --> 02:15:07,040
you know we shouldn't shut down any

3641
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:10,400
conversation or any alternative ideas

3642
02:15:13,510 --> 02:15:12,159
because other than that like a friend of

3643
02:15:15,109 --> 02:15:13,520
mine said you know you have five

3644
02:15:17,350 --> 02:15:15,119
theoreticians

3645
02:15:19,189 --> 02:15:17,360
and one research person

3646
02:15:21,350 --> 02:15:19,199
and the research one says unless i can

3647
02:15:23,030 --> 02:15:21,360
take it into the lab and test it

3648
02:15:25,030 --> 02:15:23,040
it's all talk

3649
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:25,040
and in a funny way that's true it's easy

3650
02:15:28,950 --> 02:15:26,880
to get theories it's harder to get in

3651
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:28,960
there and prove what it is

3652
02:15:31,830 --> 02:15:30,719
but we shouldn't discount other people's

3653
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:31,840
ideas

3654
02:15:35,189 --> 02:15:33,679
although in the case of anjali it's

3655
02:15:37,350 --> 02:15:35,199
tough for her to prove things when she

3656
02:15:38,709 --> 02:15:37,360
gets cut out of the the ranch where she

3657
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:38,719
can't go

3658
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,719
i don't know i mean i've read

3659
02:15:44,470 --> 02:15:42,960
i'm a i may have convictions about paul

3660
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:44,480
benowitz and the reason i bring that up

3661
02:15:48,629 --> 02:15:47,040
is because i've noticed in that 10 years

3662
02:15:50,790 --> 02:15:48,639
of the 1980s

3663
02:15:52,149 --> 02:15:50,800
how little people realize because the

3664
02:15:54,069 --> 02:15:52,159
minute you start talking to him his

3665
02:15:57,270 --> 02:15:54,079
ideas seem

3666
02:15:59,109 --> 02:15:57,280
absurd and a lot gets planted on him

3667
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:59,119
that he didn't start

3668
02:16:02,550 --> 02:16:00,719
and if it weren't for the fact that i

3669
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:02,560
happened to ask him what got him started

3670
02:16:05,990 --> 02:16:04,960
and he showed me those images from the

3671
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:06,000
film

3672
02:16:09,910 --> 02:16:08,159
that changed everything a lot of the

3673
02:16:10,709 --> 02:16:09,920
stuff that said and has come out on the

3674
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:10,719
time

3675
02:16:14,310 --> 02:16:12,560
so just because someone has ideas that

3676
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:14,320
are bizarre

3677
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:15,840
go back and find out what started

3678
02:16:20,470 --> 02:16:18,079
thinking way and let's at least keep the

3679
02:16:21,990 --> 02:16:20,480
conversation open and not uh not shut

3680
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:22,000
down listening to other people's

3681
02:16:27,669 --> 02:16:24,719
opinions but also not when we know

3682
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:27,679
things that major things we think or

3683
02:16:31,830 --> 02:16:29,199
that we believe

3684
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:31,840
so okay that's enough for that chris uh

3685
02:16:36,230 --> 02:16:34,000
just real quickly on the the paul

3686
02:16:37,110 --> 02:16:36,240
benowitz thing um what do you think

3687
02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:37,120
about

3688
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:39,200
richard doty just showing up on all

3689
02:16:42,709 --> 02:16:41,040
these like they're giving him so much

3690
02:16:44,549 --> 02:16:42,719
credit as being someone

3691
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:44,559
important when he was the one that

3692
02:16:50,389 --> 02:16:47,760
really was poisoned you know uh let me

3693
02:16:55,110 --> 02:16:50,399
put let me put this on mute

3694
02:17:00,629 --> 02:16:55,990
their

3695
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:02,870
no one can excuse themselves by just

3696
02:17:06,549 --> 02:17:04,800
saying it was my job

3697
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:06,559
yeah in a way i look back and think

3698
02:17:10,870 --> 02:17:08,080
that's what a lot of the nazis tried to

3699
02:17:12,830 --> 02:17:10,880
use yeah i mean not to equate to

3700
02:17:15,830 --> 02:17:12,840
unfortunately

3701
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:15,840
paul and there are some videos if you

3702
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:17,840
watch the doji's game where he said paul

3703
02:17:22,469 --> 02:17:20,719
was a patriot he hung his flag out

3704
02:17:24,389 --> 02:17:22,479
but ultimately

3705
02:17:25,750 --> 02:17:24,399
people that are easy to fool

3706
02:17:27,509 --> 02:17:25,760
and i'm like wait

3707
02:17:28,790 --> 02:17:27,519
paul called the air force only because

3708
02:17:31,589 --> 02:17:28,800
he was trying to tell them something he

3709
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:31,599
thought they might not be aware of yeah

3710
02:17:34,709 --> 02:17:32,880
he happened to be on the roof of his

3711
02:17:35,429 --> 02:17:34,719
house with his camera equipment a lot of

3712
02:17:37,589 --> 02:17:35,439
it

3713
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:37,599
unfortunately

3714
02:17:40,950 --> 02:17:39,599
i don't excuse

3715
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:40,960
anybody

3716
02:17:44,709 --> 02:17:42,800
coming along after the fact and to this

3717
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:44,719
day i've seen pictures of him at

3718
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:46,000
conventions with people wrapping their

3719
02:17:48,709 --> 02:17:47,120
arms around like he thinks he's some

3720
02:17:49,830 --> 02:17:48,719
celebrity

3721
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:49,840
i mean i

3722
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:52,160
i get it i know you can't tell everybody

3723
02:17:57,589 --> 02:17:53,599
everything and there are national

3724
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:57,599
secrets you know i i understand that

3725
02:18:01,910 --> 02:17:59,280
but after a while

3726
02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:01,920
after a citizen and that's all of us

3727
02:18:05,030 --> 02:18:03,280
here

3728
02:18:07,509 --> 02:18:05,040
would he justify doing that if someone

3729
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:07,519
did that to his son or his parents

3730
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:09,760
to allow someone to

3731
02:18:13,349 --> 02:18:11,200
basically push them over the deep end

3732
02:18:15,429 --> 02:18:13,359
just by disinforming themselves and i

3733
02:18:16,950 --> 02:18:15,439
see that and other i won't go into it

3734
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:16,960
today but i have a couple examples we

3735
02:18:20,549 --> 02:18:18,319
could talk about right now things that i

3736
02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:20,559
feel like you know the whole i'll just

3737
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:22,559
put it this way the whole idea of atip

3738
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:25,359
and osap 22 million was for a pentagon

3739
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:28,160
program but no it wasn't it was for a di

3740
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:29,359
contract

3741
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:33,040
but in 2017 all these main characters

3742
02:18:36,070 --> 02:18:34,240
knew

3743
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:36,080
that it was a 22

3744
02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:37,439
pentagon program

3745
02:18:42,389 --> 02:18:40,319
it was 22 million for the dia contract

3746
02:18:44,309 --> 02:18:42,399
so what was atip

3747
02:18:46,150 --> 02:18:44,319
they all knew

3748
02:18:47,830 --> 02:18:46,160
they had to have known harry reid had to

3749
02:18:49,190 --> 02:18:47,840
know half of the others lou had

3750
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:49,200
but nobody bothered to say anything

3751
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:51,120
about it then i mean i'm a big believer

3752
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:53,359
it's okay to make mistakes but correct

3753
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:55,040
it come back

3754
02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:57,359
own up to it at least that way nobody

3755
02:19:01,030 --> 02:18:59,200
else is going down the wrong path

3756
02:19:03,669 --> 02:19:01,040
so there's something about all of this

3757
02:19:06,950 --> 02:19:05,589
if somebody is not

3758
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:06,960
there's an effort all the way from paul

3759
02:19:09,910 --> 02:19:08,160
bennowitz

3760
02:19:11,669 --> 02:19:09,920
to this day there are people who

3761
02:19:13,270 --> 02:19:11,679
apparently behind the scenes

3762
02:19:15,270 --> 02:19:13,280
don't want to be doubted or don't want

3763
02:19:16,309 --> 02:19:15,280
to come out maybe there's consequences i

3764
02:19:17,669 --> 02:19:16,319
don't know

3765
02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:17,679
but i just

3766
02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:19,760
at some point you ask yourself what

3767
02:19:23,349 --> 02:19:21,920
happened to paul other people like that

3768
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:23,359
yeah would it be okay with you if they

3769
02:19:27,669 --> 02:19:25,840
did that to your son or your father

3770
02:19:28,469 --> 02:19:27,679
who thought he was doing the right thing

3771
02:19:29,910 --> 02:19:28,479
yeah

3772
02:19:31,830 --> 02:19:29,920
i don't know i'm

3773
02:19:33,429 --> 02:19:31,840
not not to say i'm a boy scout i'm just

3774
02:19:34,709 --> 02:19:33,439
saying there's a point at which you we

3775
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:34,719
need to look at each other and this is

3776
02:19:38,150 --> 02:19:36,160
what we're all in this for is what we

3777
02:19:40,309 --> 02:19:38,160
can learn

3778
02:19:41,589 --> 02:19:40,319
what whatever the truth

3779
02:19:44,230 --> 02:19:41,599
might be

3780
02:19:45,190 --> 02:19:44,240
and for in a case like this this isn't

3781
02:19:47,750 --> 02:19:45,200
just

3782
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:47,760
who killed jfk in a human situation this

3783
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:51,040
is something far larger yeah and i think

3784
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:52,160
any of us

3785
02:20:00,469 --> 02:19:59,030
we need something to fight for among

3786
02:20:02,790 --> 02:20:00,479
those of us who want to

3787
02:20:04,630 --> 02:20:02,800
call your congressman and i've tried it

3788
02:20:05,830 --> 02:20:04,640
if you don't represent a you know who do

3789
02:20:06,870 --> 02:20:05,840
you represent

3790
02:20:10,550 --> 02:20:06,880
you know they don't they don't want to

3791
02:20:13,510 --> 02:20:10,560
talk to you but it's raising raising the

3792
02:20:15,429 --> 02:20:13,520
demand i think but yeah

3793
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:15,439
but it's just tough call i'm just not

3794
02:20:20,309 --> 02:20:18,319
getting any older guys so

3795
02:20:23,030 --> 02:20:20,319
you young guys need to get on it

3796
02:20:25,429 --> 02:20:23,040
yeah that's great um and speaking of

3797
02:20:26,790 --> 02:20:25,439
that um do you think there's does anyone

3798
02:20:27,830 --> 02:20:26,800
want to tackle this at all do you think

3799
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:27,840
there's

3800
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:30,240
uh any young people coming you know

3801
02:20:35,030 --> 02:20:33,520
younger people interested in this i mean

3802
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:35,040
you do david what do you have to say

3803
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:40,389
oh me oh i'm sorry michael michael you

3804
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:41,439
said

3805
02:20:46,070 --> 02:20:43,520
you're shaking your head michael i was

3806
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:46,080
yeah uh i mean go on ufo twitter

3807
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:48,560
interact with anybody on ufo twitter

3808
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:49,760
there's

3809
02:20:59,349 --> 02:20:57,200
the time coming up that are younger

3810
02:21:02,389 --> 02:20:59,359
going to conferences i just gave a talk

3811
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:02,399
at the uh mcminn mcminniman's ufo

3812
02:21:07,110 --> 02:21:05,120
conference a couple weeks ago

3813
02:21:09,830 --> 02:21:07,120
i was blown away by how many young

3814
02:21:11,910 --> 02:21:09,840
people were there uh there was a 12 year

3815
02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:11,920
old kid got up and asked me a question

3816
02:21:17,030 --> 02:21:14,080
at a microphone like i mean obviously

3817
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:17,040
that's an extreme example but for on on

3818
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:19,040
the whole i think in general there's

3819
02:21:24,230 --> 02:21:22,319
definitely more and more people

3820
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:24,240
to the fray

3821
02:21:28,950 --> 02:21:26,399
there should be and one thing i've

3822
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:28,960
noticed too um i i completely agree with

3823
02:21:33,750 --> 02:21:31,600
everything chris said that we need to

3824
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:33,760
keep an open mind to every possibility

3825
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:36,080
nobody has the answers and all we can do

3826
02:21:39,110 --> 02:21:37,120
is take

3827
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:39,120
an evidence-based approach

3828
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:41,920
clearly evidence has already come back

3829
02:21:45,110 --> 02:21:44,080
but more we move forward and the more we

3830
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:45,120
have

3831
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:47,840
conversations that are inclusive and

3832
02:21:51,349 --> 02:21:49,920
less divisive we're going to bring more

3833
02:21:53,190 --> 02:21:51,359
people in and some of those people are

3834
02:21:56,230 --> 02:21:53,200
going to be younger people that continue

3835
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:56,240
this this conversation but what i found

3836
02:21:59,910 --> 02:21:58,000
too is that a lot of people if they're

3837
02:22:02,630 --> 02:21:59,920
really really interested in they've had

3838
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:02,640
some experience that brought them into

3839
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:03,520
this

3840
02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:05,920
they have a reason to be here i just i

3841
02:22:10,230 --> 02:22:07,439
had a conversation with somebody at a

3842
02:22:11,750 --> 02:22:10,240
party over the weekend that was talking

3843
02:22:13,830 --> 02:22:11,760
about my book and

3844
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:13,840
all of these things that happened to her

3845
02:22:18,630 --> 02:22:16,160
and eventually it came out that her

3846
02:22:20,710 --> 02:22:18,640
sister had a very close encounter in

3847
02:22:23,270 --> 02:22:20,720
their whole family and oftentimes it's

3848
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:23,280
lineages that have these encounters so

3849
02:22:28,710 --> 02:22:25,680
there was a reason for that coming and

3850
02:22:31,349 --> 02:22:28,720
the more we talk about it in legitimate

3851
02:22:32,870 --> 02:22:31,359
non-divisive terms take try try to take

3852
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:32,880
the best we can an evidence-based

3853
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:34,640
approach i think the more we'll bring

3854
02:22:38,550 --> 02:22:36,560
people into the conversation that have

3855
02:22:39,990 --> 02:22:38,560
had those experiences and those that

3856
02:22:41,429 --> 02:22:40,000
have always sat on the outside because

3857
02:22:43,830 --> 02:22:41,439
they think we're all crazy people we're

3858
02:22:45,110 --> 02:22:43,840
in tin foil hats

3859
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:45,120
i don't know i think that's all we can

3860
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:47,680
do it's going to be a slow process but i

3861
02:22:51,349 --> 02:22:48,640
think

3862
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:51,359
99 of people you've had on this show i'd

3863
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:53,280
say 100 i haven't seen everybody so i'm

3864
02:22:56,389 --> 02:22:54,720
trying to give myself an out in case

3865
02:22:58,469 --> 02:22:56,399
there's a whack job that i didn't

3866
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:58,479
account for um

3867
02:23:03,270 --> 02:23:00,960
but then also like like lee spiegel said

3868
02:23:04,870 --> 02:23:03,280
earlier you do a good job of this you

3869
02:23:06,630 --> 02:23:04,880
bring people on that have something to

3870
02:23:08,309 --> 02:23:06,640
say you have an audience that asks

3871
02:23:11,190 --> 02:23:08,319
awesome questions when i was on your

3872
02:23:13,270 --> 02:23:11,200
show i got asked the best most informed

3873
02:23:16,630 --> 02:23:13,280
questions and that indicates to me that

3874
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:16,640
the whole conversation is evolving

3875
02:23:20,630 --> 02:23:18,399
and we're all trying to get to a place

3876
02:23:22,230 --> 02:23:20,640
where even if we don't have the answers

3877
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:22,240
we can at least acknowledge that we

3878
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:23,840
don't have the answers but we can

3879
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:25,280
continue to ask questions that might

3880
02:23:29,910 --> 02:23:27,840
eventually get us there

3881
02:23:32,870 --> 02:23:29,920
thank you uh michael

3882
02:23:36,710 --> 02:23:32,880
uh hang on just one second irene you'll

3883
02:23:38,469 --> 02:23:36,720
let you talk next but michael the the uh

3884
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:38,479
the thought occur i think i threw you

3885
02:23:42,710 --> 02:23:40,319
this in a and i think you might have

3886
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:42,720
thought i was joking but i'm not sure

3887
02:23:47,830 --> 02:23:44,640
but i i think i threw you a text or

3888
02:23:49,750 --> 02:23:47,840
something and said what if um the time

3889
02:23:51,590 --> 02:23:49,760
travelers that

3890
02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:51,600
you know in your your theory the time

3891
02:23:55,830 --> 02:23:53,680
travels that look like grays or whatever

3892
02:23:58,550 --> 02:23:55,840
what if they are say

3893
02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:58,560
humans get wiped out we wiped ourselves

3894
02:24:01,910 --> 02:24:00,399
out through whatever

3895
02:24:04,070 --> 02:24:01,920
in in the future

3896
02:24:06,950 --> 02:24:04,080
and then a new species eventually

3897
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:06,960
evolved like a million and a half years

3898
02:24:10,790 --> 02:24:08,960
from now which sounds like a lot of time

3899
02:24:13,830 --> 02:24:10,800
but really isn't when you think about

3900
02:24:15,990 --> 02:24:13,840
the you know the the age of the planet

3901
02:24:18,389 --> 02:24:16,000
in the solar system yeah

3902
02:24:20,230 --> 02:24:18,399
what if a new species evolved like you

3903
02:24:22,950 --> 02:24:20,240
know we evolved the mammals to fall

3904
02:24:24,790 --> 02:24:22,960
because of the you know the dinosaurs

3905
02:24:26,389 --> 02:24:24,800
you know getting distinct um who knows

3906
02:24:27,910 --> 02:24:26,399
what they would have done if they kept

3907
02:24:29,990 --> 02:24:27,920
going if they could have gotten smarter

3908
02:24:32,550 --> 02:24:30,000
and all that not my idea at all someone

3909
02:24:33,830 --> 02:24:32,560
else's idea that i spoke with but still

3910
02:24:35,910 --> 02:24:33,840
um

3911
02:24:37,110 --> 02:24:35,920
it do you think it's a possibility that

3912
02:24:39,670 --> 02:24:37,120
the time

3913
02:24:41,349 --> 02:24:39,680
are a whole different species well i i

3914
02:24:43,349 --> 02:24:41,359
think most of the ones especially the

3915
02:24:45,030 --> 02:24:43,359
ones that are entirely human and in my

3916
02:24:47,190 --> 02:24:45,040
new book i'm highlighting a number of

3917
02:24:49,429 --> 02:24:47,200
cases where they are clearly humans they

3918
02:24:50,950 --> 02:24:49,439
speak vocally some speak telepathically

3919
02:24:52,630 --> 02:24:50,960
they look like us

3920
02:24:54,630 --> 02:24:52,640
and then there's the whole gamut some

3921
02:24:56,389 --> 02:24:54,640
have slightly more evolved traits and

3922
02:24:58,710 --> 02:24:56,399
then you talk about the grays where

3923
02:25:00,630 --> 02:24:58,720
we're looking at maybe 12 15 20 000

3924
02:25:02,230 --> 02:25:00,640
years in the future but me and me and

3925
02:25:03,670 --> 02:25:02,240
whitley strieber went down this rabbit

3926
02:25:06,389 --> 02:25:03,680
hole one day he invited me on his

3927
02:25:07,429 --> 02:25:06,399
podcast and and we started talking about

3928
02:25:10,389 --> 02:25:07,439
whether

3929
02:25:13,110 --> 02:25:10,399
the the mantids the reptilians could be

3930
02:25:16,630 --> 02:25:13,120
us from a post-human i shouldn't say us

3931
02:25:19,510 --> 02:25:16,640
a post-human world where they eventually

3932
02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:19,520
evolve this advanced state of

3933
02:25:23,670 --> 02:25:21,760
technological development come all the

3934
02:25:24,790 --> 02:25:23,680
way back from tens of millions of years

3935
02:25:26,950 --> 02:25:24,800
in the future if they have that

3936
02:25:29,190 --> 02:25:26,960
technology and clearly insects and

3937
02:25:31,030 --> 02:25:29,200
reptiles have stain power on this planet

3938
02:25:32,950 --> 02:25:31,040
they've been here way longer than than

3939
02:25:35,910 --> 02:25:32,960
mammals have so

3940
02:25:38,469 --> 02:25:35,920
we're kind of joking around but the idea

3941
02:25:39,510 --> 02:25:38,479
made sense too and in the same way that

3942
02:25:41,190 --> 02:25:39,520
we got

3943
02:25:43,030 --> 02:25:41,200
dinosaurs i don't know why attach weed

3944
02:25:44,870 --> 02:25:43,040
to everything i'm not a dinosaur not a

3945
02:25:47,830 --> 02:25:44,880
reptile but

3946
02:25:49,349 --> 02:25:47,840
the same way the the dinosaurs got wiped

3947
02:25:52,230 --> 02:25:49,359
out and then mammals could evolve

3948
02:25:54,070 --> 02:25:52,240
because of all of these empty niches and

3949
02:25:55,590 --> 02:25:54,080
the adaptive radiation that happened

3950
02:25:58,550 --> 02:25:55,600
after that maybe there's another

3951
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:58,560
adaptive radiation after humans i think

3952
02:26:03,590 --> 02:26:00,720
i think the humanoid ones

3953
02:26:05,750 --> 02:26:03,600
are certainly us or a future version of

3954
02:26:07,990 --> 02:26:05,760
us but after that who knows i mean it

3955
02:26:10,150 --> 02:26:08,000
could be any species that survives past

3956
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:10,160
us and there's likely to be some

3957
02:26:15,110 --> 02:26:13,040
yeah interesting um irene you had your

3958
02:26:17,670 --> 02:26:15,120
hand up you wanted to yeah just a couple

3959
02:26:19,429 --> 02:26:17,680
of quick things um just quickly going

3960
02:26:21,670 --> 02:26:19,439
back to the

3961
02:26:22,790 --> 02:26:21,680
younger people um jane from project

3962
02:26:24,070 --> 02:26:22,800
unity

3963
02:26:28,150 --> 02:26:24,080
is um

3964
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:28,160
a quickly rising star um it's an example

3965
02:26:33,349 --> 02:26:29,520
for um

3966
02:26:36,389 --> 02:26:33,359
the uh interview with ross you got 17

3967
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:36,399
000k views which is fantastic i think he

3968
02:26:41,910 --> 02:26:38,720
got 54 000

3969
02:26:43,429 --> 02:26:41,920
um he's only 25 26

3970
02:26:45,910 --> 02:26:43,439
he's got quite a following amongst the

3971
02:26:48,790 --> 02:26:45,920
younger set so yes in the answer to that

3972
02:26:50,309 --> 02:26:48,800
i think there is a rising an exploding

3973
02:26:52,150 --> 02:26:50,319
amount of information and good

3974
02:26:53,429 --> 02:26:52,160
information that's come in the last

3975
02:26:56,630 --> 02:26:53,439
couple of years

3976
02:26:59,270 --> 02:26:56,640
and um an exploding amount of podcasters

3977
02:27:01,030 --> 02:26:59,280
and and people furthering the

3978
02:27:03,190 --> 02:27:01,040
information or grabbing a hold of

3979
02:27:05,270 --> 02:27:03,200
information and pushing it along

3980
02:27:08,230 --> 02:27:05,280
well also i just wanted to

3981
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:08,240
ask you quickly michael back to michael

3982
02:27:12,469 --> 02:27:09,200
um

3983
02:27:13,750 --> 02:27:12,479
the eric davis stated that with time

3984
02:27:14,870 --> 02:27:13,760
travel

3985
02:27:16,469 --> 02:27:14,880
that

3986
02:27:17,349 --> 02:27:16,479
you can only go back to the point where

3987
02:27:20,309 --> 02:27:17,359
the

3988
02:27:22,309 --> 02:27:20,319
time travel has been invented so if

3989
02:27:25,190 --> 02:27:22,319
they're coming to us now

3990
02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:25,200
or if they've come to us in the past um

3991
02:27:29,270 --> 02:27:26,319
i mean there's

3992
02:27:31,270 --> 02:27:29,280
a lot of evidence um that

3993
02:27:34,950 --> 02:27:31,280
these entities have been with us for a

3994
02:27:38,309 --> 02:27:34,960
long time um how do you um reconcile the

3995
02:27:40,950 --> 02:27:38,319
physicist's belief that um time travel

3996
02:27:45,110 --> 02:27:40,960
can only start from the point where it's

3997
02:27:46,309 --> 02:27:45,120
invented so if it was invented in 2021

3998
02:27:49,110 --> 02:27:46,319
they only

3999
02:27:51,349 --> 02:27:49,120
able to come back to 2021 and not not

4000
02:27:53,110 --> 02:27:51,359
earlier

4001
02:27:54,870 --> 02:27:53,120
yeah i addressed that in my first book

4002
02:27:56,309 --> 02:27:54,880
it's it's an idea that's been around for

4003
02:27:57,990 --> 02:27:56,319
a while uh

4004
02:28:00,309 --> 02:27:58,000
one of the first books about time travel

4005
02:28:02,950 --> 02:28:00,319
i read by paul davies who's a really

4006
02:28:05,750 --> 02:28:02,960
well known and well-respected physicist

4007
02:28:08,230 --> 02:28:05,760
talks about that same limitation

4008
02:28:09,670 --> 02:28:08,240
however if you're talking about going

4009
02:28:13,030 --> 02:28:09,680
back in time

4010
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:13,040
in the context of global time so you're

4011
02:28:17,190 --> 02:28:15,280
moving into the global path where all of

4012
02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:17,200
these things around you

4013
02:28:22,630 --> 02:28:18,640
are happening they're still moving into

4014
02:28:25,590 --> 02:28:22,640
the future but you construct a a capsule

4015
02:28:26,950 --> 02:28:25,600
in any sort of device

4016
02:28:28,790 --> 02:28:26,960
that thing

4017
02:28:30,389 --> 02:28:28,800
when you're manipulating space time

4018
02:28:32,710 --> 02:28:30,399
within that time frame within that

4019
02:28:34,950 --> 02:28:32,720
reference frame as they say i see no

4020
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:34,960
reason why once you get to the point

4021
02:28:39,030 --> 02:28:36,880
where the first time machine was

4022
02:28:40,389 --> 02:28:39,040
constructed all of a sudden just breaks

4023
02:28:43,030 --> 02:28:40,399
apart into pieces

4024
02:28:45,429 --> 02:28:43,040
it goes back to all of its composite

4025
02:28:47,670 --> 02:28:45,439
pieces that went into building it you're

4026
02:28:50,950 --> 02:28:47,680
separate from global space time at that

4027
02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:50,960
point there's no reason why in in that

4028
02:28:55,590 --> 02:28:52,880
specific reference frame you would be

4029
02:28:57,510 --> 02:28:55,600
subjected to all of those other aspects

4030
02:29:00,309 --> 02:28:57,520
of global space time it just

4031
02:29:01,830 --> 02:29:00,319
i it's it's one of these things uh like

4032
02:29:03,910 --> 02:29:01,840
the many worlds interpretation of

4033
02:29:06,070 --> 02:29:03,920
quantum mechanics uh diff higher

4034
02:29:09,110 --> 02:29:06,080
dimensions it's one of these things that

4035
02:29:10,389 --> 02:29:09,120
is said very often up until about two

4036
02:29:12,150 --> 02:29:10,399
years ago

4037
02:29:14,150 --> 02:29:12,160
most physicists were

4038
02:29:16,550 --> 02:29:14,160
with the idea that backward time travel

4039
02:29:18,950 --> 02:29:16,560
wasn't even possible i strongly believe

4040
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:18,960
that that aspect of backward time travel

4041
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:21,120
is eventually going to be proven wrong

4042
02:29:25,349 --> 02:29:23,120
because logically it doesn't make sense

4043
02:29:29,510 --> 02:29:25,359
i'm not a physicist i can't lay out all

4044
02:29:31,590 --> 02:29:29,520
of the equations for why that might be

4045
02:29:33,510 --> 02:29:31,600
but just basic logic indicates that if

4046
02:29:35,670 --> 02:29:33,520
you're separating localized space time

4047
02:29:38,309 --> 02:29:35,680
from global space time there's no reason

4048
02:29:40,790 --> 02:29:38,319
why why that should happen

4049
02:29:43,750 --> 02:29:40,800
well that kind of brings me to another

4050
02:29:46,309 --> 02:29:43,760
topic that i hear a lot of people

4051
02:29:47,429 --> 02:29:46,319
commenting about the possibility of

4052
02:29:51,110 --> 02:29:47,439
travel

4053
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:51,120
from you know far distances to here by

4054
02:29:55,750 --> 02:29:53,760
doing something with space-time you know

4055
02:29:57,990 --> 02:29:55,760
like warping space-time

4056
02:30:00,870 --> 02:29:58,000
and i don't know how that actually

4057
02:30:03,910 --> 02:30:00,880
plays into all of this but um it

4058
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:03,920
certainly would be one of the answers to

4059
02:30:07,990 --> 02:30:06,720
if whoever they are is traveling vast

4060
02:30:09,830 --> 02:30:08,000
distances

4061
02:30:11,429 --> 02:30:09,840
that would be a way they would somehow

4062
02:30:13,429 --> 02:30:11,439
get here

4063
02:30:15,830 --> 02:30:13,439
i mean that's another really fascinating

4064
02:30:17,590 --> 02:30:15,840
topic well can i just say just to give

4065
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:17,600
you something a little a little bit of

4066
02:30:20,550 --> 02:30:19,280
hope for the future

4067
02:30:21,429 --> 02:30:20,560
so

4068
02:30:23,510 --> 02:30:21,439
uh

4069
02:30:25,910 --> 02:30:23,520
because i mean i'm new i'm new to this

4070
02:30:28,469 --> 02:30:25,920
whole field i'm i'm i'm brand new to

4071
02:30:30,710 --> 02:30:28,479
this but you see him young too just

4072
02:30:33,910 --> 02:30:30,720
as far as young people in the morning

4073
02:30:35,830 --> 02:30:33,920
one hey that's young i mean have you

4074
02:30:36,870 --> 02:30:35,840
been to a mufon conference that's very

4075
02:30:40,230 --> 02:30:36,880
young

4076
02:30:41,750 --> 02:30:40,240
i'll stand corrected um but in in april

4077
02:30:43,510 --> 02:30:41,760
24th

4078
02:30:45,750 --> 02:30:43,520
i did an event called the big phone home

4079
02:30:48,309 --> 02:30:45,760
which was a gathering of folks like this

4080
02:30:50,550 --> 02:30:48,319
a very like an open style panel where we

4081
02:30:52,790 --> 02:30:50,560
whoever is watching whoever is joining

4082
02:30:55,110 --> 02:30:52,800
the panel is trying to convince their

4083
02:30:57,110 --> 02:30:55,120
their fans their followings to make a

4084
02:30:59,670 --> 02:30:57,120
phone call call your congressman call

4085
02:31:00,710 --> 02:30:59,680
your local state representative and ask

4086
02:31:02,150 --> 02:31:00,720
them

4087
02:31:04,710 --> 02:31:02,160
the hard questions because you're a

4088
02:31:07,270 --> 02:31:04,720
taxpayer and you deserve it you

4089
02:31:09,270 --> 02:31:07,280
you you pay the taxes for all the fancy

4090
02:31:10,309 --> 02:31:09,280
toys we deserve some answers on this

4091
02:31:12,389 --> 02:31:10,319
topic

4092
02:31:14,309 --> 02:31:12,399
so the first time i did this obviously i

4093
02:31:16,230 --> 02:31:14,319
was an incredibly small channel martin

4094
02:31:18,070 --> 02:31:16,240
you were so gracious to help me out and

4095
02:31:19,990 --> 02:31:18,080
help build word and

4096
02:31:22,389 --> 02:31:20,000
and so during the first the first big

4097
02:31:26,389 --> 02:31:22,399
phone home we had 500 mentions

4098
02:31:28,630 --> 02:31:26,399
7.2 000 interactions we reached 1.3

4099
02:31:30,230 --> 02:31:28,640
million people and had six and a half

4100
02:31:32,550 --> 02:31:30,240
thousand shares

4101
02:31:33,830 --> 02:31:32,560
when i did the second big phone home

4102
02:31:37,510 --> 02:31:33,840
in um

4103
02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:37,520
in what was it now september i think i

4104
02:31:40,950 --> 02:31:38,800
don't know these months are melting

4105
02:31:43,630 --> 02:31:40,960
together but during the second big phone

4106
02:31:46,630 --> 02:31:43,640
home we had

4107
02:31:49,830 --> 02:31:46,640
301 000 interactions

4108
02:31:54,630 --> 02:31:49,840
we reached 49 million people

4109
02:31:56,550 --> 02:31:54,640
and we had 85 000 shares and 215 000

4110
02:31:57,429 --> 02:31:56,560
likes and we had a website

4111
02:31:59,670 --> 02:31:57,439
that

4112
02:32:01,510 --> 02:31:59,680
laid out how people could contact their

4113
02:32:03,990 --> 02:32:01,520
local state representatives but not only

4114
02:32:06,070 --> 02:32:04,000
that we had people like john greenwald

4115
02:32:08,630 --> 02:32:06,080
uh write

4116
02:32:10,389 --> 02:32:08,640
contact letters for us so the letter you

4117
02:32:12,150 --> 02:32:10,399
send you could print it out you can mail

4118
02:32:14,630 --> 02:32:12,160
it you can email it

4119
02:32:17,270 --> 02:32:14,640
and we've got responses and and the

4120
02:32:21,349 --> 02:32:17,280
passion for this grows every time i do

4121
02:32:22,950 --> 02:32:21,359
it and it is it's young it's old uh some

4122
02:32:24,630 --> 02:32:22,960
people think we're crazy you're never

4123
02:32:26,550 --> 02:32:24,640
going to get answers from the government

4124
02:32:29,030 --> 02:32:26,560
i say to them well we've never tried

4125
02:32:30,630 --> 02:32:29,040
we've never organized and tried to do it

4126
02:32:33,190 --> 02:32:30,640
on the same day

4127
02:32:35,270 --> 02:32:33,200
and i mean for me as one of these

4128
02:32:37,590 --> 02:32:35,280
younger folks who's just sort of you

4129
02:32:39,270 --> 02:32:37,600
know stumbled into this not really i

4130
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:39,280
mean i had an experience and then met

4131
02:32:43,270 --> 02:32:41,840
lou elizondo and then martin willis is

4132
02:32:45,510 --> 02:32:43,280
the one who inspired me to start the

4133
02:32:48,070 --> 02:32:45,520
show alejandro rojas those were my first

4134
02:32:48,950 --> 02:32:48,080
inspirations to sort of do this

4135
02:32:51,910 --> 02:32:48,960
and

4136
02:32:53,990 --> 02:32:51,920
it's working like if you just see what's

4137
02:32:57,030 --> 02:32:54,000
happened in the last two weeks from a

4138
02:32:58,710 --> 02:32:57,040
political perspective and i'm

4139
02:33:01,030 --> 02:32:58,720
for me

4140
02:33:02,550 --> 02:33:01,040
the best piece of evidence is something

4141
02:33:04,790 --> 02:33:02,560
that i could put on the desk of a

4142
02:33:07,030 --> 02:33:04,800
congressman or senator and say you need

4143
02:33:08,790 --> 02:33:07,040
to look at this and then it convinces

4144
02:33:09,910 --> 02:33:08,800
them to start thinking differently about

4145
02:33:12,150 --> 02:33:09,920
this topic

4146
02:33:14,469 --> 02:33:12,160
right here i'm holding in my hand on

4147
02:33:17,110 --> 02:33:14,479
what has been dubbed as the gila brand

4148
02:33:19,349 --> 02:33:17,120
amendment and this is to me the most

4149
02:33:21,990 --> 02:33:19,359
important piece of legislation that has

4150
02:33:25,270 --> 02:33:22,000
ever been written on the uap topic

4151
02:33:27,190 --> 02:33:25,280
and we're winning this is happening and

4152
02:33:28,790 --> 02:33:27,200
and i mean just the first thing that

4153
02:33:31,510 --> 02:33:28,800
they mention in here

4154
02:33:33,429 --> 02:33:31,520
um civilian personnel employed buyer

4155
02:33:35,590 --> 02:33:33,439
under contract to the department or an

4156
02:33:37,750 --> 02:33:35,600
element of the intelligence community

4157
02:33:39,830 --> 02:33:37,760
shall have access to procedures by which

4158
02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:39,840
they shall report incidents of

4159
02:33:44,389 --> 02:33:42,080
information including adverse

4160
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:44,399
physiological effects that's the first

4161
02:33:47,750 --> 02:33:45,840
thing they ask for

4162
02:33:49,190 --> 02:33:47,760
is to know more about physiological

4163
02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:49,200
effects

4164
02:33:53,590 --> 02:33:51,680
this is it's a bipartisan bill that's

4165
02:33:55,590 --> 02:33:53,600
about to get very little resistance and

4166
02:33:56,630 --> 02:33:55,600
be signed into law within the next two

4167
02:33:58,550 --> 02:33:56,640
weeks

4168
02:34:01,990 --> 02:33:58,560
if this doesn't excite you as a

4169
02:34:04,389 --> 02:34:02,000
researcher as a fan of this topic as as

4170
02:34:06,230 --> 02:34:04,399
uh as someone who's been

4171
02:34:08,950 --> 02:34:06,240
dragged through the mud and i get to

4172
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:08,960
stand on the shoulders of all of you

4173
02:34:14,070 --> 02:34:12,240
and and start doing a different kind of

4174
02:34:15,910 --> 02:34:14,080
work because we all hear oh call your

4175
02:34:17,990 --> 02:34:15,920
congressman call your senator but no

4176
02:34:19,670 --> 02:34:18,000
one's ever shown us how to do it and the

4177
02:34:21,190 --> 02:34:19,680
verbiage that we need to put on the

4178
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:21,200
table to get the attention of a

4179
02:34:25,030 --> 02:34:23,120
congressman and senator first big full

4180
02:34:27,750 --> 02:34:25,040
home we had no congressmen and senators

4181
02:34:29,990 --> 02:34:27,760
talk to us second big phone home we got

4182
02:34:33,270 --> 02:34:30,000
congressman tim burchette to come and

4183
02:34:35,670 --> 02:34:33,280
talk to us we reached out to marco rubio

4184
02:34:37,910 --> 02:34:35,680
and ruben gallego and all of the

4185
02:34:41,270 --> 02:34:37,920
intelligence communities that have to do

4186
02:34:43,349 --> 02:34:41,280
directly with this uap topic so for me

4187
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:43,359
that's what fuels my fire and that's

4188
02:34:47,270 --> 02:34:45,520
what i think the younger generation is

4189
02:34:48,870 --> 02:34:47,280
really because

4190
02:34:50,710 --> 02:34:48,880
look

4191
02:34:52,550 --> 02:34:50,720
a lot of these senators and congressmen

4192
02:34:54,550 --> 02:34:52,560
they weren't around in the 50s and 60s

4193
02:34:58,150 --> 02:34:54,560
and 70s they don't know the history on

4194
02:35:00,230 --> 02:34:58,160
this but we need as citizens especially

4195
02:35:01,990 --> 02:35:00,240
in the united states and i recommend all

4196
02:35:02,790 --> 02:35:02,000
countries do this

4197
02:35:05,030 --> 02:35:02,800
we

4198
02:35:07,429 --> 02:35:05,040
have to look in the mirror

4199
02:35:09,349 --> 02:35:07,439
and say okay what can i do to try and

4200
02:35:11,750 --> 02:35:09,359
get answers and i think the best thing

4201
02:35:13,510 --> 02:35:11,760
you could do is is

4202
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:13,520
contact your local state rep you'll be

4203
02:35:17,270 --> 02:35:16,080
shocked most of them have no idea about

4204
02:35:20,070 --> 02:35:17,280
this bill

4205
02:35:22,070 --> 02:35:20,080
most of them have no idea about about

4206
02:35:23,510 --> 02:35:22,080
that there's a there there i'm not going

4207
02:35:25,190 --> 02:35:23,520
to tell anybody what it is because i

4208
02:35:27,190 --> 02:35:25,200
don't have any answers just like i don't

4209
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:27,200
think anybody on this panel does going

4210
02:35:31,510 --> 02:35:29,200
back to what christian said but there is

4211
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:31,520
a there there and they need to start

4212
02:35:36,070 --> 02:35:33,680
paying attention to it and as taxpayers

4213
02:35:38,389 --> 02:35:36,080
we have the right to not all the answers

4214
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:38,399
but at least some of them and so just to

4215
02:35:42,710 --> 02:35:40,880
just to just to say from a

4216
02:35:45,349 --> 02:35:42,720
younger person's perspective and i

4217
02:35:46,950 --> 02:35:45,359
definitely don't feel younger um

4218
02:35:48,389 --> 02:35:46,960
i think i think we're heading in the

4219
02:35:50,150 --> 02:35:48,399
right direction and i think this

4220
02:35:52,950 --> 02:35:50,160
conversation is about to change in a

4221
02:35:54,550 --> 02:35:52,960
very substantive way

4222
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:54,560
that at least excites me i don't know

4223
02:35:56,950 --> 02:35:55,840
how you guys feel about it but that's

4224
02:35:59,590 --> 02:35:56,960
all i'm going to say

4225
02:36:03,270 --> 02:35:59,600
well well thank you for that i'm just

4226
02:36:05,750 --> 02:36:03,280
popping this up uh right now uh irene it

4227
02:36:08,070 --> 02:36:05,760
says uh um just because i know you know

4228
02:36:10,389 --> 02:36:08,080
ross or it says ross caldheart just

4229
02:36:12,790 --> 02:36:10,399
announced on twitter he's got something

4230
02:36:14,550 --> 02:36:12,800
major news revelation coming out on

4231
02:36:18,070 --> 02:36:14,560
thursday have you heard about this and

4232
02:36:22,150 --> 02:36:18,080
do you have any idea what it is irene

4233
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:22,160
um i mute myself um yes he has uh

4234
02:36:27,030 --> 02:36:25,359
something on spotlight again so i think

4235
02:36:28,630 --> 02:36:27,040
um we don't really know what he's

4236
02:36:29,349 --> 02:36:28,640
releasing but we've heard that he will

4237
02:36:31,830 --> 02:36:29,359
be

4238
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:31,840
um putting something out on uh channel

4239
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:33,920
seven spotlight so we'll get to see it

4240
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:36,399
down here um don't have any clues of

4241
02:36:40,630 --> 02:36:38,720
what it is but he's been digging i know

4242
02:36:43,590 --> 02:36:40,640
that he's been digging um

4243
02:36:45,750 --> 02:36:43,600
and a lot of people since his um

4244
02:36:46,550 --> 02:36:45,760
documentary down here have approached

4245
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:46,560
him

4246
02:36:51,030 --> 02:36:49,040
and us as researchers as well people are

4247
02:36:53,750 --> 02:36:51,040
coming out of the woodwork with quite

4248
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:53,760
fascinating um you know people have been

4249
02:36:56,950 --> 02:36:55,359
especially frightened in australia

4250
02:36:59,349 --> 02:36:56,960
because there's a lot of um

4251
02:37:01,750 --> 02:36:59,359
a lot less openness than it is obviously

4252
02:37:05,110 --> 02:37:01,760
in the united states to talk about this

4253
02:37:07,830 --> 02:37:05,120
um for instance we had um

4254
02:37:11,030 --> 02:37:07,840
a senator on the 27th of october a

4255
02:37:12,469 --> 02:37:11,040
senator from tasmania queried the

4256
02:37:13,349 --> 02:37:12,479
federal parliament

4257
02:37:15,030 --> 02:37:13,359
and

4258
02:37:17,110 --> 02:37:15,040
was

4259
02:37:18,550 --> 02:37:17,120
his questions were directed to the air

4260
02:37:21,670 --> 02:37:18,560
force marshall australian air force

4261
02:37:24,389 --> 02:37:21,680
marshal um about whether we have had a

4262
02:37:25,830 --> 02:37:24,399
similar um thing happening in australia

4263
02:37:28,710 --> 02:37:25,840
that um

4264
02:37:31,270 --> 02:37:28,720
the uap the ufp task force has revealed

4265
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:31,280
in the united states and and um what's

4266
02:37:33,910 --> 02:37:32,560
happening with the gila brand or

4267
02:37:37,429 --> 02:37:33,920
whatever with australia has got

4268
02:37:39,670 --> 02:37:37,439
something emotion similarly and this was

4269
02:37:41,590 --> 02:37:39,680
kind of like um treated as so who was a

4270
02:37:43,590 --> 02:37:41,600
bit of a lunatic and they didn't they

4271
02:37:46,950 --> 02:37:43,600
weren't they were very polite he was

4272
02:37:49,670 --> 02:37:46,960
directed to um maurice payne our um

4273
02:37:51,510 --> 02:37:49,680
minister i think of um foreign affairs

4274
02:37:53,750 --> 02:37:51,520
um she

4275
02:37:55,349 --> 02:37:53,760
she and the the air force marshall just

4276
02:37:57,190 --> 02:37:55,359
sort of fobbed it off and said that they

4277
02:38:09,830 --> 02:37:57,200
didn't know of anything and then in the

4278
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:12,710
abc radio which is our government

4279
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:15,840
funded national very popular um

4280
02:38:20,389 --> 02:38:17,359
media

4281
02:38:23,270 --> 02:38:20,399
outlet and debunked what they had to say

4282
02:38:25,270 --> 02:38:23,280
um and he stated that he has a evidence

4283
02:38:27,110 --> 02:38:25,280
that australia has been

4284
02:38:29,270 --> 02:38:27,120
tracking

4285
02:38:30,950 --> 02:38:29,280
deep space objects we've got you know

4286
02:38:33,830 --> 02:38:30,960
basically what he's been saying in his

4287
02:38:35,990 --> 02:38:33,840
interviews he reiterated um interview

4288
02:38:38,309 --> 02:38:36,000
interestingly that radio interview has

4289
02:38:40,230 --> 02:38:38,319
been taken down

4290
02:38:42,070 --> 02:38:40,240
i tried to find it so that i could give

4291
02:38:43,750 --> 02:38:42,080
you guys a link to it but it's just not

4292
02:38:47,190 --> 02:38:43,760
there it was only on there for a short

4293
02:38:50,389 --> 02:38:47,200
time but it was an interesting really um

4294
02:38:52,309 --> 02:38:50,399
strident debunking by ross of um

4295
02:38:53,750 --> 02:38:52,319
what was said in parliament

4296
02:38:56,230 --> 02:38:53,760
um

4297
02:38:58,710 --> 02:38:56,240
yeah so i think there could be something

4298
02:39:00,950 --> 02:38:58,720
in connection with that i don't know

4299
02:39:04,309 --> 02:39:00,960
yeah well thank you for that uh dave

4300
02:39:05,830 --> 02:39:04,319
marler i have a a question for you um

4301
02:39:09,349 --> 02:39:05,840
just

4302
02:39:11,270 --> 02:39:09,359
in you know the question i posed earlier

4303
02:39:12,630 --> 02:39:11,280
you have been doing this research for a

4304
02:39:13,429 --> 02:39:12,640
long time your

4305
02:39:15,590 --> 02:39:13,439
the

4306
02:39:16,389 --> 02:39:15,600
your great work on

4307
02:39:19,590 --> 02:39:16,399
um

4308
02:39:21,429 --> 02:39:19,600
ufo triangle triangular ufos is

4309
02:39:22,469 --> 02:39:21,439
fascinating and by the way i was

4310
02:39:24,950 --> 02:39:22,479
visiting

4311
02:39:26,790 --> 02:39:24,960
in arizona last week

4312
02:39:27,830 --> 02:39:26,800
and talked to someone that had

4313
02:39:48,309 --> 02:39:27,840
a

4314
02:39:50,710 --> 02:39:48,319
think

4315
02:39:52,710 --> 02:39:50,720
that we are being visited by what's your

4316
02:39:54,710 --> 02:39:52,720
thoughts on that you know i i think i

4317
02:39:57,590 --> 02:39:54,720
echo what uh a lot of the statements

4318
02:39:58,630 --> 02:39:57,600
have been made previously i think the

4319
02:40:00,630 --> 02:39:58,640
the uh

4320
02:40:03,030 --> 02:40:00,640
the non-sequitur when we go down this

4321
02:40:05,510 --> 02:40:03,040
pathway where we ask for what is the

4322
02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:05,520
answer to the ufo mystery

4323
02:40:10,070 --> 02:40:07,600
there is no answer singular i think

4324
02:40:11,990 --> 02:40:10,080
there's probably as many of the other

4325
02:40:14,630 --> 02:40:12,000
panelists alluded to

4326
02:40:16,870 --> 02:40:14,640
it's multiple overlapping phenomena

4327
02:40:18,870 --> 02:40:16,880
plural i don't think it's one thing i

4328
02:40:21,590 --> 02:40:18,880
think it's overly simplistic

4329
02:40:24,070 --> 02:40:21,600
to try to attribute one answer one

4330
02:40:26,469 --> 02:40:24,080
source to whatever we're dealing with

4331
02:40:28,150 --> 02:40:26,479
and so you know as you know martin i

4332
02:40:29,990 --> 02:40:28,160
don't like to speculate too much i just

4333
02:40:32,150 --> 02:40:30,000
like to look at the data look to see if

4334
02:40:33,510 --> 02:40:32,160
there's patterns in the data and really

4335
02:40:35,349 --> 02:40:33,520
at the end of the day as i think again

4336
02:40:37,349 --> 02:40:35,359
many of the panelists alluded to each

4337
02:40:39,830 --> 02:40:37,359
individual has to formulate their own

4338
02:40:42,389 --> 02:40:39,840
conclusion um you know there's been some

4339
02:40:44,150 --> 02:40:42,399
great discussion here uh you know uh

4340
02:40:46,309 --> 02:40:44,160
michael referencing the the younger

4341
02:40:48,550 --> 02:40:46,319
people coming on board and christian

4342
02:40:49,990 --> 02:40:48,560
talking about belief versus knowledge i

4343
02:40:52,150 --> 02:40:50,000
mean these are always things i like to

4344
02:40:55,349 --> 02:40:52,160
talk about but they're important to talk

4345
02:40:57,190 --> 02:40:55,359
about um but in addition an addendum to

4346
02:40:59,349 --> 02:40:57,200
the the younger generation that's

4347
02:41:01,110 --> 02:40:59,359
getting involved in the subject now i've

4348
02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:01,120
noticed there's a whole new generation

4349
02:41:05,830 --> 02:41:04,000
of older people that are now reaching

4350
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:05,840
out and expressing interest and i have

4351
02:41:10,389 --> 02:41:08,319
just two very brief examples

4352
02:41:12,950 --> 02:41:10,399
approximately six seven months ago i did

4353
02:41:15,110 --> 02:41:12,960
a local albuquerque live radio show and

4354
02:41:17,190 --> 02:41:15,120
we had callers calling in

4355
02:41:19,190 --> 02:41:17,200
and one gentleman claimed that he was a

4356
02:41:21,269 --> 02:41:19,200
retired lieutenant colonel in the air

4357
02:41:23,349 --> 02:41:21,279
force and when i mentioned i have the

4358
02:41:26,309 --> 02:41:23,359
original project blue book files here

4359
02:41:27,990 --> 02:41:26,319
and dr j allen heineck's material uh he

4360
02:41:29,990 --> 02:41:28,000
expressed interest so i asked the

4361
02:41:32,230 --> 02:41:30,000
producer offline to get his contact

4362
02:41:34,389 --> 02:41:32,240
information or give him mine and maybe

4363
02:41:36,389 --> 02:41:34,399
we can get together and about three or

4364
02:41:38,630 --> 02:41:36,399
four weeks after that

4365
02:41:40,950 --> 02:41:38,640
not only did this gentleman show up he

4366
02:41:44,550 --> 02:41:40,960
brought a retired uh

4367
02:41:46,230 --> 02:41:44,560
colonel uh in the air force with him now

4368
02:41:48,150 --> 02:41:46,240
i've been doing this for 31 years and

4369
02:41:50,870 --> 02:41:48,160
that's not as long as like some people

4370
02:41:54,710 --> 02:41:50,880
like chris on the panel but in all these

4371
02:41:57,269 --> 02:41:54,720
years i never had a retired air force

4372
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:57,279
lieutenant colonel and colonel

4373
02:42:01,830 --> 02:41:59,040
coming to my home to sit here at this

4374
02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:01,840
table behind me to talk seriously about

4375
02:42:06,070 --> 02:42:04,080
the ufo subject and i can only

4376
02:42:08,870 --> 02:42:06,080
contribute that to the new york times

4377
02:42:11,269 --> 02:42:08,880
article the subsequent media coverage uh

4378
02:42:13,750 --> 02:42:11,279
the pentagon uap report whatever we

4379
02:42:15,030 --> 02:42:13,760
think of it you know i i think for those

4380
02:42:16,790 --> 02:42:15,040
that were disappointed you set the

4381
02:42:18,950 --> 02:42:16,800
expectation bar too high that's just my

4382
02:42:20,469 --> 02:42:18,960
own personal opinion but at the end of

4383
02:42:22,469 --> 02:42:20,479
the day and i was having a conversation

4384
02:42:24,230 --> 02:42:22,479
with barry greenwood about this

4385
02:42:26,230 --> 02:42:24,240
taking a step back even though it lacked

4386
02:42:28,710 --> 02:42:26,240
substance and admittedly it was a

4387
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:28,720
declassified report it was a preliminary

4388
02:42:32,309 --> 02:42:30,319
report for the general public so we got

4389
02:42:33,349 --> 02:42:32,319
to keep that in mind but at the end of

4390
02:42:35,269 --> 02:42:33,359
the day

4391
02:42:37,670 --> 02:42:35,279
the takeaway is this and for those that

4392
02:42:39,990 --> 02:42:37,680
have been doing this for a long time

4393
02:42:41,670 --> 02:42:40,000
official acknowledgement that there is a

4394
02:42:43,990 --> 02:42:41,680
phenomenon

4395
02:42:45,750 --> 02:42:44,000
and you know even though it was devoid

4396
02:42:47,750 --> 02:42:45,760
of case details

4397
02:42:49,349 --> 02:42:47,760
and it didn't get into the history which

4398
02:42:51,590 --> 02:42:49,359
was my biggest as a historian that was

4399
02:42:53,190 --> 02:42:51,600
my biggest angst is if you read this

4400
02:42:55,830 --> 02:42:53,200
report you knew nothing of the subject

4401
02:42:58,070 --> 02:42:55,840
you swear all this started in 2004 it

4402
02:42:59,590 --> 02:42:58,080
didn't allude to the history

4403
02:43:01,110 --> 02:42:59,600
chris i i knew that would get you

4404
02:43:02,950 --> 02:43:01,120
laughing because i mean i'm sure that

4405
02:43:04,389 --> 02:43:02,960
was your impression as well if you

4406
02:43:07,830 --> 02:43:04,399
didn't know anything about the subject

4407
02:43:09,750 --> 02:43:07,840
you'd swear this all started in 2004. um

4408
02:43:10,550 --> 02:43:09,760
but right that's right

4409
02:43:12,309 --> 02:43:10,560
but

4410
02:43:14,630 --> 02:43:12,319
taking into account some of these things

4411
02:43:16,389 --> 02:43:14,640
that the panelists were discussing we do

4412
02:43:18,550 --> 02:43:16,399
have a younger generation now wanting to

4413
02:43:21,110 --> 02:43:18,560
look at the subject we have older

4414
02:43:23,670 --> 02:43:21,120
individuals that told me point blank in

4415
02:43:26,389 --> 02:43:23,680
fact i had a gentleman that works at a

4416
02:43:29,030 --> 02:43:26,399
bank in new york city came out here to

4417
02:43:30,710 --> 02:43:29,040
see the collection and barry greenwood

4418
02:43:32,870 --> 02:43:30,720
and jan aldridge were here at the time

4419
02:43:35,110 --> 02:43:32,880
and one of them asked you know when did

4420
02:43:38,070 --> 02:43:35,120
your interest start in the subject oh

4421
02:43:41,190 --> 02:43:38,080
new york times article came out in 2017.

4422
02:43:42,710 --> 02:43:41,200
so we have older people that never gave

4423
02:43:44,790 --> 02:43:42,720
the subject a second thought now

4424
02:43:46,550 --> 02:43:44,800
interested in the subject including

4425
02:43:48,790 --> 02:43:46,560
retired military individuals like the

4426
02:43:50,389 --> 02:43:48,800
two gentlemen i spoke with we have a

4427
02:43:52,389 --> 02:43:50,399
younger generation

4428
02:43:53,990 --> 02:43:52,399
as we discussed earlier that's now

4429
02:43:55,590 --> 02:43:54,000
coming into the fold

4430
02:43:57,830 --> 02:43:55,600
chris you were talking about the

4431
02:43:59,110 --> 02:43:57,840
benewits affair and i i too saw those

4432
02:44:01,910 --> 02:43:59,120
pictures where people were wrapping

4433
02:44:03,590 --> 02:44:01,920
their arms around uh rick dodie like he

4434
02:44:06,230 --> 02:44:03,600
was some celebrity

4435
02:44:08,630 --> 02:44:06,240
i feel truly and i don't mean to

4436
02:44:10,389 --> 02:44:08,640
oversell this it is incumbent upon

4437
02:44:13,349 --> 02:44:10,399
people that have been in this field for

4438
02:44:15,269 --> 02:44:13,359
a long time that know the history

4439
02:44:16,710 --> 02:44:15,279
to convey that history to the next

4440
02:44:18,630 --> 02:44:16,720
generation

4441
02:44:20,469 --> 02:44:18,640
because if you don't know the rick

4442
02:44:22,309 --> 02:44:20,479
dodies that are out there you don't know

4443
02:44:24,150 --> 02:44:22,319
what they were capable of

4444
02:44:25,590 --> 02:44:24,160
you're prone to fall for the same trap

4445
02:44:26,550 --> 02:44:25,600
again

4446
02:44:28,150 --> 02:44:26,560
and so

4447
02:44:29,670 --> 02:44:28,160
with cases

4448
02:44:31,429 --> 02:44:29,680
with the

4449
02:44:33,750 --> 02:44:31,439
the nefarious acts that have been

4450
02:44:36,550 --> 02:44:33,760
conducted by certain official or you

4451
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:36,560
know unofficial agencies i just think we

4452
02:44:40,710 --> 02:44:39,200
need to be aware of the history uh as we

4453
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:40,720
continue to move forward with all of

4454
02:44:44,830 --> 02:44:42,240
these exciting things that are happening

4455
02:44:47,590 --> 02:44:44,840
like the gillibrand initiative

4456
02:44:49,190 --> 02:44:47,600
so yeah i think it's

4457
02:44:51,349 --> 02:44:49,200
impressive to me because i was going to

4458
02:44:52,950 --> 02:44:51,359
bring up i'm all for

4459
02:44:54,150 --> 02:44:52,960
luis all four of the young people

4460
02:44:56,070 --> 02:44:54,160
pushing this

4461
02:44:57,910 --> 02:44:56,080
but i was had a long talk today with a

4462
02:44:59,590 --> 02:44:57,920
friend of mine who's been at this longer

4463
02:45:01,990 --> 02:44:59,600
than i have

4464
02:45:03,030 --> 02:45:02,000
and brought up all the historical data

4465
02:45:05,110 --> 02:45:03,040
like

4466
02:45:06,550 --> 02:45:05,120
the estimate of the situation

4467
02:45:07,990 --> 02:45:06,560
all of the things throughout this time

4468
02:45:10,870 --> 02:45:08,000
that have been going on that young

4469
02:45:13,110 --> 02:45:10,880
people because it was asking me well are

4470
02:45:16,150 --> 02:45:13,120
our congressmen ignorant

4471
02:45:17,910 --> 02:45:16,160
or incompetent and i said no how many of

4472
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:17,920
the people on the street know what we're

4473
02:45:21,830 --> 02:45:19,920
talking about how many of them like you

4474
02:45:23,030 --> 02:45:21,840
said they weren't even alive back in

4475
02:45:24,469 --> 02:45:23,040
those days

4476
02:45:25,590 --> 02:45:24,479
so

4477
02:45:27,190 --> 02:45:25,600
we're not going to be around here

4478
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:27,200
forever so if the young people don't

4479
02:45:30,070 --> 02:45:28,960
pick up the ball and move it down the

4480
02:45:31,349 --> 02:45:30,080
field

4481
02:45:34,070 --> 02:45:31,359
but don't

4482
02:45:35,990 --> 02:45:34,080
i wish they would stop in some cases and

4483
02:45:37,910 --> 02:45:36,000
remember looking at the material that

4484
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:37,920
you've got i wondered those two air

4485
02:45:41,750 --> 02:45:39,840
force officers going there looking that

4486
02:45:43,349 --> 02:45:41,760
were they aware of any of this had they

4487
02:45:44,630 --> 02:45:43,359
heard suspicions now they're able to go

4488
02:45:45,670 --> 02:45:44,640
back and look through your material and

4489
02:45:47,349 --> 02:45:45,680
suddenly

4490
02:45:48,469 --> 02:45:47,359
i wonder if it's eye-opening for them to

4491
02:45:50,469 --> 02:45:48,479
realize

4492
02:45:54,150 --> 02:45:50,479
this has been going on

4493
02:45:55,830 --> 02:45:54,160
for decades more 60 or more years and

4494
02:45:57,349 --> 02:45:55,840
things people like you said and

4495
02:46:00,070 --> 02:45:57,359
everybody thinks

4496
02:46:02,550 --> 02:46:00,080
well even uh avi loeb who i

4497
02:46:04,469 --> 02:46:02,560
hope is successful

4498
02:46:07,030 --> 02:46:04,479
but initially was not going to look at

4499
02:46:08,630 --> 02:46:07,040
any of the historical data only what but

4500
02:46:09,990 --> 02:46:08,640
then he's connecting himself to people

4501
02:46:12,070 --> 02:46:10,000
who've been at this for a while now

4502
02:46:13,750 --> 02:46:12,080
which may be a good thing but then like

4503
02:46:15,830 --> 02:46:13,760
you said in the people who think well

4504
02:46:18,870 --> 02:46:15,840
even the dna report they didn't look at

4505
02:46:19,990 --> 02:46:18,880
anything beyond 2004

4506
02:46:22,230 --> 02:46:20,000
i mean

4507
02:46:24,550 --> 02:46:22,240
who thought that you know the reasoning

4508
02:46:28,389 --> 02:46:24,560
supposedly is because of the technology

4509
02:46:30,550 --> 02:46:28,399
they wanted updated technology uh just

4510
02:46:33,030 --> 02:46:30,560
alejandra rojas might be popping in here

4511
02:46:34,790 --> 02:46:33,040
i'm trying to get him on so anyway but

4512
02:46:36,630 --> 02:46:34,800
go ahead continue well no i was just

4513
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:36,640
gonna acknowledge the fact that i that

4514
02:46:41,190 --> 02:46:38,800
you mentioned barry greenwood and jan

4515
02:46:42,309 --> 02:46:41,200
aldrich and so many times i think you

4516
02:46:43,990 --> 02:46:42,319
know

4517
02:46:45,510 --> 02:46:44,000
those who forget the lessons of history

4518
02:46:46,550 --> 02:46:45,520
are doomed to repeat them and if we're

4519
02:46:49,429 --> 02:46:46,560
only going to be starting these things

4520
02:46:51,110 --> 02:46:49,439
since 2017 or 2004

4521
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:51,120
you're forgetting and i don't know

4522
02:46:54,150 --> 02:46:53,040
whether there's some heads would role

4523
02:46:55,750 --> 02:46:54,160
that people looked at that you know

4524
02:46:57,110 --> 02:46:55,760
eventually when all this comes out and

4525
02:46:59,030 --> 02:46:57,120
people look at the history of it and see

4526
02:47:01,190 --> 02:46:59,040
who's been calling what shots where

4527
02:47:02,630 --> 02:47:01,200
there are people who like the pin the

4528
02:47:04,230 --> 02:47:02,640
pandora paper

4529
02:47:05,670 --> 02:47:04,240
people who want to be caught with their

4530
02:47:07,349 --> 02:47:05,680
hand you know where they things they

4531
02:47:10,070 --> 02:47:07,359
shouldn't have been done but

4532
02:47:12,309 --> 02:47:10,080
even if you let dodie off because he was

4533
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:12,319
stuck he happened to be there there were

4534
02:47:15,670 --> 02:47:13,840
people above him

4535
02:47:17,349 --> 02:47:15,680
there were people he answered to

4536
02:47:18,870 --> 02:47:17,359
i mean i would have loved to ask lou

4537
02:47:20,550 --> 02:47:18,880
because nobody seems to ask him well he

4538
02:47:21,750 --> 02:47:20,560
said two people came to him in his

4539
02:47:23,670 --> 02:47:21,760
office and asked him what he thought

4540
02:47:25,110 --> 02:47:23,680
about ufos

4541
02:47:26,950 --> 02:47:25,120
i'm like okay

4542
02:47:28,630 --> 02:47:26,960
who are those two people those are

4543
02:47:29,910 --> 02:47:28,640
people who are connected up the ladder

4544
02:47:31,750 --> 02:47:29,920
so to speak

4545
02:47:33,030 --> 02:47:31,760
anyway i'm done martin you can go ahead

4546
02:47:34,389 --> 02:47:33,040
and

4547
02:47:40,070 --> 02:47:34,399
do whatever you need or somebody else

4548
02:47:44,230 --> 02:47:42,469
who joined it

4549
02:47:48,550 --> 02:47:44,240
hola muchacho

4550
02:47:52,550 --> 02:47:51,830
hello good to see everybody

4551
02:47:55,910 --> 02:47:52,560
yeah

4552
02:47:57,910 --> 02:47:55,920
um so i'm glad you finally made it i

4553
02:47:59,590 --> 02:47:57,920
know you know i got to visit you when i

4554
02:48:01,990 --> 02:47:59,600
was out in california and i saw your

4555
02:48:03,910 --> 02:48:02,000
command center and all your monitors and

4556
02:48:05,269 --> 02:48:03,920
how busy you are a lot of people are

4557
02:48:07,590 --> 02:48:05,279
saying where's alejandro where's

4558
02:48:09,349 --> 02:48:07,600
alejandro and you know the only answer i

4559
02:48:11,269 --> 02:48:09,359
can ever give them is you're working

4560
02:48:12,469 --> 02:48:11,279
like crazy you're working a lot of hard

4561
02:48:15,190 --> 02:48:12,479
work

4562
02:48:17,429 --> 02:48:15,200
digging my way out of the pandemic hole

4563
02:48:19,429 --> 02:48:17,439
that i got that so many of us got

4564
02:48:22,469 --> 02:48:19,439
ourselves into so

4565
02:48:24,469 --> 02:48:22,479
yeah i'm just doing uh boring stuff

4566
02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:24,479
mortgage stuff so i'm just doing loan

4567
02:48:28,950 --> 02:48:26,720
after loan after loan after loan

4568
02:48:31,190 --> 02:48:28,960
and uh that's all i'm doing now working

4569
02:48:32,150 --> 02:48:31,200
working working and so i haven't really

4570
02:48:35,190 --> 02:48:32,160
been

4571
02:48:35,910 --> 02:48:35,200
uh of course as people know um plugged

4572
02:48:37,429 --> 02:48:35,920
in

4573
02:48:40,230 --> 02:48:37,439
at least those of you who are on social

4574
02:48:41,510 --> 02:48:40,240
media um so like david i know you're not

4575
02:48:42,790 --> 02:48:41,520
in there much you might haven't even

4576
02:48:44,710 --> 02:48:42,800
noticed i haven't been in there i

4577
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:44,720
usually i'm in there all the time

4578
02:48:48,630 --> 02:48:46,800
who knows that um

4579
02:48:50,710 --> 02:48:48,640
you know tweeting away so

4580
02:48:53,750 --> 02:48:50,720
yeah so i have been keeping tabs a

4581
02:48:55,190 --> 02:48:53,760
little bit you know and also still uh

4582
02:48:56,710 --> 02:48:55,200
you'll be able to see me on ancient

4583
02:48:58,630 --> 02:48:56,720
aliens soon

4584
02:49:00,230 --> 02:48:58,640
supposed to do something with skinwalker

4585
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:00,240
soon um

4586
02:49:05,670 --> 02:49:02,880
another couple tv shows uh

4587
02:49:08,230 --> 02:49:05,680
been working with and then um

4588
02:49:10,950 --> 02:49:08,240
also uh in the background kind of

4589
02:49:12,630 --> 02:49:10,960
working on a couple other projects

4590
02:49:14,070 --> 02:49:12,640
um

4591
02:49:15,990 --> 02:49:14,080
we'll see what those turn into i'd like

4592
02:49:18,309 --> 02:49:16,000
them to turn into books but just i think

4593
02:49:20,950 --> 02:49:18,319
there's a lot of stories to tell now i

4594
02:49:22,630 --> 02:49:20,960
think that uh you know

4595
02:49:23,910 --> 02:49:22,640
we all have been in this for a really

4596
02:49:26,230 --> 02:49:23,920
long time

4597
02:49:28,550 --> 02:49:26,240
and there's a lot of different angles to

4598
02:49:30,389 --> 02:49:28,560
share information with people

4599
02:49:32,790 --> 02:49:30,399
and i really think that there's a couple

4600
02:49:34,870 --> 02:49:32,800
of really big stories out there to to

4601
02:49:37,590 --> 02:49:34,880
kind of let the general public know that

4602
02:49:39,510 --> 02:49:37,600
they're interested and um what's

4603
02:49:42,230 --> 02:49:39,520
interesting on how this all stuff came

4604
02:49:43,830 --> 02:49:42,240
always came about so it's sometimes hard

4605
02:49:45,349 --> 02:49:43,840
for us to not

4606
02:49:47,349 --> 02:49:45,359
you know we're so much in the weeds

4607
02:49:50,230 --> 02:49:47,359
usually day by day and that's what kind

4608
02:49:52,469 --> 02:49:50,240
of helps by stepping back too is kind of

4609
02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:52,479
take a bigger picture look at things and

4610
02:49:56,389 --> 02:49:54,800
think about well you know what is what

4611
02:49:58,550 --> 02:49:56,399
are the pieces of information that might

4612
02:50:00,070 --> 02:49:58,560
be helpful to the to the people out

4613
02:50:02,389 --> 02:50:00,080
there kind of overwhelmed by all this

4614
02:50:05,910 --> 02:50:02,399
information that they're getting

4615
02:50:09,349 --> 02:50:05,920
right right um yeah you know i mean

4616
02:50:11,110 --> 02:50:09,359
i understand stepping back i i wonder

4617
02:50:13,510 --> 02:50:11,120
you know i i think it's it's probably

4618
02:50:14,950 --> 02:50:13,520
good for anyone that's really in this to

4619
02:50:17,830 --> 02:50:14,960
step back i had

4620
02:50:20,070 --> 02:50:17,840
chris pittman on um two weeks ago and he

4621
02:50:21,429 --> 02:50:20,080
said that he he bailed out of the whole

4622
02:50:23,590 --> 02:50:21,439
topic for

4623
02:50:25,190 --> 02:50:23,600
you know a number of years and and you

4624
02:50:27,910 --> 02:50:25,200
know he's he's kind of reluctant

4625
02:50:30,790 --> 02:50:27,920
carefully you know stepping back into it

4626
02:50:32,309 --> 02:50:30,800
but uh uh yeah i can understand i

4627
02:50:34,630 --> 02:50:32,319
understand that you can get a different

4628
02:50:36,950 --> 02:50:34,640
perspective when you're outside and

4629
02:50:39,429 --> 02:50:36,960
looking at looking in

4630
02:50:41,750 --> 02:50:39,439
and i also kind of feel like

4631
02:50:43,990 --> 02:50:41,760
what i was seeking what i my big

4632
02:50:44,950 --> 02:50:44,000
personal goal was met

4633
02:50:47,110 --> 02:50:44,960
um

4634
02:50:49,429 --> 02:50:47,120
my thing when i got into this and and

4635
02:50:52,150 --> 02:50:49,439
you know when i was in journalism more

4636
02:50:54,230 --> 02:50:52,160
and in journalism school was like why is

4637
02:50:56,950 --> 02:50:54,240
this story being ignored there's no good

4638
02:50:58,710 --> 02:50:56,960
reason except for the giggle factor to

4639
02:51:01,670 --> 02:50:58,720
ignore this story

4640
02:51:03,510 --> 02:51:01,680
and so um my big thing was to try to

4641
02:51:05,429 --> 02:51:03,520
show look there is a lot of credible

4642
02:51:07,750 --> 02:51:05,439
information and i think it it is a

4643
02:51:09,910 --> 02:51:07,760
matter of how the information is

4644
02:51:11,910 --> 02:51:09,920
presented as well

4645
02:51:14,230 --> 02:51:11,920
and uh i think that's finally happened

4646
02:51:16,389 --> 02:51:14,240
and to be honest you know i i know maybe

4647
02:51:18,550 --> 02:51:16,399
it's not always a popular opinion but

4648
02:51:20,710 --> 02:51:18,560
i'm really excited to see what media and

4649
02:51:22,070 --> 02:51:20,720
mainstream media does with this i think

4650
02:51:24,630 --> 02:51:22,080
there are a lot of people who are doing

4651
02:51:26,070 --> 02:51:24,640
a lot of good work people like you know

4652
02:51:28,150 --> 02:51:26,080
he's kind of a friend of a little bias

4653
02:51:29,670 --> 02:51:28,160
brian bender but you know we became

4654
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:29,680
friends because of common interest i

4655
02:51:33,030 --> 02:51:31,439
think you know people like brian bender

4656
02:51:36,150 --> 02:51:33,040
working for politico

4657
02:51:38,870 --> 02:51:36,160
and uh and others are

4658
02:51:42,469 --> 02:51:38,880
really their take is very interesting

4659
02:51:45,590 --> 02:51:42,479
they're embedded in their own um

4660
02:51:48,150 --> 02:51:45,600
groups in in dc or at the pentagon and

4661
02:51:50,230 --> 02:51:48,160
such and so they have a valuable

4662
02:51:51,750 --> 02:51:50,240
perspective and i think it's really

4663
02:51:53,030 --> 02:51:51,760
interesting to see what happens when

4664
02:51:55,590 --> 02:51:53,040
they dig in

4665
02:51:57,269 --> 02:51:55,600
um so i love that aspect of things so

4666
02:51:59,030 --> 02:51:57,279
let them run and see what they figure

4667
02:52:01,510 --> 02:51:59,040
out i think personally that they are

4668
02:52:02,870 --> 02:52:01,520
making strides the other side of things

4669
02:52:04,309 --> 02:52:02,880
um

4670
02:52:06,550 --> 02:52:04,319
besides you know the mainstream

4671
02:52:09,349 --> 02:52:06,560
journalism is science you know people

4672
02:52:12,710 --> 02:52:09,359
like dr michael masters there and you

4673
02:52:15,670 --> 02:52:12,720
know others in academia who i think are

4674
02:52:18,710 --> 02:52:15,680
doing some extraordinary what's great

4675
02:52:19,830 --> 02:52:18,720
you know to take uh dr masters there as

4676
02:52:22,230 --> 02:52:19,840
an example

4677
02:52:24,630 --> 02:52:22,240
what's great is when you apply science

4678
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:24,640
and scientific kind of um

4679
02:52:31,190 --> 02:52:28,960
inquiry i think that the results are

4680
02:52:34,070 --> 02:52:31,200
amazing i think you know

4681
02:52:36,150 --> 02:52:34,080
michael's talks for example the entire

4682
02:52:38,790 --> 02:52:36,160
thing is so interesting because he's

4683
02:52:41,510 --> 02:52:38,800
taking it from you know uh

4684
02:52:45,429 --> 02:52:41,520
more of an academic um

4685
02:52:47,590 --> 02:52:45,439
rigor and and study and he's making all

4686
02:52:48,230 --> 02:52:47,600
of these these discoveries you know that

4687
02:52:49,990 --> 02:52:48,240
are

4688
02:52:52,710 --> 02:52:50,000
related to work that people have already

4689
02:52:54,790 --> 02:52:52,720
done and then also uh other scientists

4690
02:52:56,870 --> 02:52:54,800
who are doing the same thing kevin knew

4691
02:52:58,630 --> 02:52:56,880
um of course abby loeb i think what

4692
02:53:00,870 --> 02:52:58,640
they're doing is fascinating and i think

4693
02:53:03,429 --> 02:53:00,880
that's just the tip of the iceberg in

4694
02:53:04,790 --> 02:53:03,439
that whole arena is going to burgeon

4695
02:53:06,630 --> 02:53:04,800
and i think that that's where we're

4696
02:53:08,550 --> 02:53:06,640
going to really see some ground shaking

4697
02:53:09,349 --> 02:53:08,560
results personally

4698
02:53:12,070 --> 02:53:09,359
yeah

4699
02:53:13,510 --> 02:53:12,080
uh linda just uh dropped out and i

4700
02:53:15,269 --> 02:53:13,520
figured we'd probably stop right at the

4701
02:53:18,469 --> 02:53:15,279
top of the hour

4702
02:53:21,349 --> 02:53:18,479
seven minutes away yeah yeah but um this

4703
02:53:23,830 --> 02:53:21,359
has been really a lot of fun um we've

4704
02:53:25,910 --> 02:53:23,840
discussed all kinds of topics we haven't

4705
02:53:28,469 --> 02:53:25,920
quite solved the problem yet but we're

4706
02:53:29,510 --> 02:53:28,479
getting close but good you've got a few

4707
02:53:30,950 --> 02:53:29,520
more minutes

4708
02:53:32,790 --> 02:53:30,960
yeah

4709
02:53:34,070 --> 02:53:32,800
true no pressure

4710
02:53:36,790 --> 02:53:34,080
yeah

4711
02:53:38,950 --> 02:53:36,800
um all right this i'm gonna

4712
02:53:41,110 --> 02:53:38,960
pose this one last question i've asked a

4713
02:53:42,950 --> 02:53:41,120
couple different people this and i don't

4714
02:53:45,349 --> 02:53:42,960
know if anyone wants to tackle it but

4715
02:53:47,030 --> 02:53:45,359
just say that we are

4716
02:53:48,309 --> 02:53:47,040
um hype

4717
02:53:50,710 --> 02:53:48,319
uh

4718
02:53:52,870 --> 02:53:50,720
that we are being visited by

4719
02:53:55,030 --> 02:53:52,880
another intelligence

4720
02:53:57,750 --> 02:53:55,040
from another planet i'm gonna go down

4721
02:53:59,030 --> 02:53:57,760
that road that we are being visited what

4722
02:54:01,190 --> 02:53:59,040
would make us

4723
02:54:03,349 --> 02:54:01,200
so special if there could be billions

4724
02:54:05,750 --> 02:54:03,359
and billions and billions billions of

4725
02:54:07,590 --> 02:54:05,760
planets out there that are housing life

4726
02:54:10,070 --> 02:54:07,600
similar to ours why would we be any

4727
02:54:11,750 --> 02:54:10,080
special why would we we be visited in

4728
02:54:14,469 --> 02:54:11,760
particular

4729
02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:14,479
anyone want to tackle that

4730
02:54:18,070 --> 02:54:16,560
yeah we all got our ideas david i think

4731
02:54:19,349 --> 02:54:18,080
basically all right

4732
02:54:20,950 --> 02:54:19,359
i'm just going to answer it and kind of

4733
02:54:23,269 --> 02:54:20,960
turn your question around maybe we're

4734
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:23,279
not that unique maybe we're just one of

4735
02:54:28,870 --> 02:54:25,840
many stopping points one of many uh

4736
02:54:31,269 --> 02:54:28,880
areas of study we're just one petri dish

4737
02:54:32,830 --> 02:54:31,279
in the great cosmos and that you know

4738
02:54:36,230 --> 02:54:32,840
we're number

4739
02:54:37,830 --> 02:54:36,240
649 of many different species that are

4740
02:54:41,429 --> 02:54:37,840
being monitored

4741
02:54:43,670 --> 02:54:41,439
and evaluated and cataloged and

4742
02:54:46,550 --> 02:54:43,680
you know maybe we're just one big

4743
02:54:48,870 --> 02:54:46,560
you know mult thousand year multi

4744
02:54:52,150 --> 02:54:48,880
thousand year longitudinal study

4745
02:54:53,190 --> 02:54:52,160
anthropological study of just yet

4746
02:54:55,429 --> 02:54:53,200
another

4747
02:54:58,309 --> 02:54:55,439
semi-intelligent and i use that very

4748
02:55:01,110 --> 02:54:58,319
carefully semi-intelligent species that

4749
02:55:03,190 --> 02:55:01,120
is uh you know still surviving but you

4750
02:55:04,870 --> 02:55:03,200
know walking that tight rope of

4751
02:55:07,110 --> 02:55:04,880
armageddon you know with some of the

4752
02:55:09,830 --> 02:55:07,120
behaviors that we're engaged in yeah

4753
02:55:12,469 --> 02:55:09,840
absolutely i tend i tend to agree

4754
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:12,479
with david i mean and in fact part of it

4755
02:55:16,070 --> 02:55:14,000
not long ago and i downloaded the

4756
02:55:17,830 --> 02:55:16,080
picture and kept it i saw a picture of

4757
02:55:20,550 --> 02:55:17,840
uh

4758
02:55:22,150 --> 02:55:20,560
the pale blue dot the small image of the

4759
02:55:23,830 --> 02:55:22,160
earth way off the distance and you

4760
02:55:27,030 --> 02:55:23,840
realize

4761
02:55:28,550 --> 02:55:27,040
we're a small speck in this huge corner

4762
02:55:30,389 --> 02:55:28,560
out here

4763
02:55:32,150 --> 02:55:30,399
and we think we're special because we're

4764
02:55:34,070 --> 02:55:32,160
all we know i mean i always relate it to

4765
02:55:35,269 --> 02:55:34,080
some small island with some pygmies off

4766
02:55:37,190 --> 02:55:35,279
the coast of borneo and they think

4767
02:55:39,590 --> 02:55:37,200
they're in charge of everything

4768
02:55:40,790 --> 02:55:39,600
but we don't particularly care

4769
02:55:42,309 --> 02:55:40,800
but i heard a

4770
02:55:43,750 --> 02:55:42,319
theory that it was attributed to

4771
02:55:45,910 --> 02:55:43,760
somebody i could name but i don't want

4772
02:55:48,389 --> 02:55:45,920
to name him but it's someone that it

4773
02:55:50,309 --> 02:55:48,399
gave me a lot to think about which was

4774
02:55:52,550 --> 02:55:50,319
many of the what we've heard the

4775
02:55:55,030 --> 02:55:52,560
encounters that we've heard

4776
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:55,040
they act more like scientists as opposed

4777
02:55:59,910 --> 02:55:56,960
to invaders

4778
02:56:02,070 --> 02:55:59,920
and thinking of it from the perspective

4779
02:56:04,550 --> 02:56:02,080
of yeah there's the picture from the

4780
02:56:07,750 --> 02:56:04,560
perspective of scientists going to

4781
02:56:09,750 --> 02:56:07,760
far-off places to see what's there

4782
02:56:12,070 --> 02:56:09,760
similar maybe to some of our guys who go

4783
02:56:13,670 --> 02:56:12,080
down to the amazon and look for us odd

4784
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:13,680
fungus on a tree

4785
02:56:18,309 --> 02:56:15,359
because they may bring it back and it

4786
02:56:20,469 --> 02:56:18,319
may serve some use for their own reasons

4787
02:56:22,389 --> 02:56:20,479
and for those reasons they may be coming

4788
02:56:25,349 --> 02:56:22,399
out to these far corners of the universe

4789
02:56:26,630 --> 02:56:25,359
or our edge of the galaxy out here

4790
02:56:28,389 --> 02:56:26,640
and

4791
02:56:30,150 --> 02:56:28,399
we're interpreting it

4792
02:56:32,309 --> 02:56:30,160
hollywood versions most of the time you

4793
02:56:33,990 --> 02:56:32,319
know it's some kind of threat well

4794
02:56:35,670 --> 02:56:34,000
i guess

4795
02:56:37,990 --> 02:56:35,680
you know the indians were probably right

4796
02:56:40,550 --> 02:56:38,000
to see the white men as a threat from

4797
02:56:42,389 --> 02:56:40,560
that perspective even if there was

4798
02:56:43,830 --> 02:56:42,399
nothing anymore like a hawaiian scene

4799
02:56:45,590 --> 02:56:43,840
the first europeans there's nothing they

4800
02:56:47,269 --> 02:56:45,600
could do about it and at the end of the

4801
02:56:50,070 --> 02:56:47,279
day

4802
02:56:51,750 --> 02:56:50,080
i have a suspicion that we're not that

4803
02:56:53,349 --> 02:56:51,760
special i mean fortunately we're going

4804
02:56:54,630 --> 02:56:53,359
to hopefully become a part of something

4805
02:56:56,550 --> 02:56:54,640
greater

4806
02:56:58,469 --> 02:56:56,560
but if you could get whatever you want

4807
02:56:59,750 --> 02:56:58,479
and you can travel around the universe

4808
02:57:01,670 --> 02:56:59,760
what are you going to worry about going

4809
02:57:03,030 --> 02:57:01,680
out here and conquering some small tiny

4810
02:57:04,550 --> 02:57:03,040
blue speck out here in the middle of

4811
02:57:06,309 --> 02:57:04,560
nowhere

4812
02:57:08,230 --> 02:57:06,319
i still want to know i still want to

4813
02:57:10,630 --> 02:57:08,240
know what it is i want to i'm with

4814
02:57:13,510 --> 02:57:10,640
fravor right i want to fly one of them

4815
02:57:15,910 --> 02:57:13,520
but um yeah but yeah but the idea is

4816
02:57:18,309 --> 02:57:15,920
that kind of that galactic zoo idea too

4817
02:57:20,870 --> 02:57:18,319
either or being watched or

4818
02:57:22,950 --> 02:57:20,880
yeah that i i agree i think david said

4819
02:57:24,550 --> 02:57:22,960
it that it seems like there's a research

4820
02:57:26,150 --> 02:57:24,560
component to this and whether they're

4821
02:57:27,429 --> 02:57:26,160
from the future they're from a different

4822
02:57:28,950 --> 02:57:27,439
planet or they're coming from a

4823
02:57:31,030 --> 02:57:28,960
simulation or

4824
02:57:32,870 --> 02:57:31,040
some conscious manifestation that comes

4825
02:57:35,190 --> 02:57:32,880
into our reality they they're clearly

4826
02:57:36,710 --> 02:57:35,200
are interested in studying us and i

4827
02:57:39,269 --> 02:57:36,720
think that's a big component of this

4828
02:57:41,429 --> 02:57:39,279
phenomenon but yeah when when we try to

4829
02:57:43,349 --> 02:57:41,439
play it up as a threat that makes people

4830
02:57:44,630 --> 02:57:43,359
pay attention in congress but i think

4831
02:57:45,429 --> 02:57:44,640
all of us

4832
02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:45,439
know

4833
02:57:50,870 --> 02:57:49,200
for a long time but

4834
02:57:53,830 --> 02:57:50,880
if if they need to play that angle i

4835
02:57:55,670 --> 02:57:53,840
understand it but yeah i i i don't worry

4836
02:57:57,910 --> 02:57:55,680
about an invasion that's for sure

4837
02:58:00,150 --> 02:57:57,920
well i think the james webb telescope is

4838
02:58:01,990 --> 02:58:00,160
gonna start to

4839
02:58:04,309 --> 02:58:02,000
put the realization out there that we

4840
02:58:07,910 --> 02:58:04,319
are not that special

4841
02:58:11,030 --> 02:58:07,920
this universe is teeming with life

4842
02:58:12,630 --> 02:58:11,040
um and um i'm excited for things like

4843
02:58:14,630 --> 02:58:12,640
that because i think it's gonna

4844
02:58:16,389 --> 02:58:14,640
really start changing the conversation

4845
02:58:18,550 --> 02:58:16,399
on a national level

4846
02:58:19,510 --> 02:58:18,560
um you know while they had it

4847
02:58:21,750 --> 02:58:19,520
yeah go

4848
02:58:23,590 --> 02:58:21,760
well i'm saying all they have to do is

4849
02:58:25,190 --> 02:58:23,600
be able to detect some type of chemistry

4850
02:58:27,269 --> 02:58:25,200
out there that would

4851
02:58:29,670 --> 02:58:27,279
and all it takes is one one technical

4852
02:58:31,269 --> 02:58:29,680
signature bias and the in the comments

4853
02:58:32,710 --> 02:58:31,279
and bio signatures and and the

4854
02:58:34,230 --> 02:58:32,720
conversation is going to change in a

4855
02:58:36,070 --> 02:58:34,240
real significant way and it's not i

4856
02:58:39,429 --> 02:58:36,080
think that giggle factor that alejandra

4857
02:58:41,750 --> 02:58:39,439
rojas uh puts up is going to go away

4858
02:58:43,830 --> 02:58:41,760
yeah yeah i think what lewis is saying

4859
02:58:45,269 --> 02:58:43,840
and what david even focused on and the

4860
02:58:47,990 --> 02:58:45,279
idea that

4861
02:58:50,630 --> 02:58:48,000
that avril haynes the dni

4862
02:58:51,810 --> 02:58:50,640
was on this recent uh

4863
02:58:53,750 --> 02:58:51,820
conference with avi

4864
02:58:55,590 --> 02:58:53,760
[Music]

4865
02:58:56,469 --> 02:58:55,600
and something tells me why would she do

4866
02:58:57,990 --> 02:58:56,479
that

4867
02:58:59,750 --> 02:58:58,000
it kind of makes me wonder with james

4868
02:59:01,910 --> 02:58:59,760
webb and everything else if there's not

4869
02:59:05,269 --> 02:59:01,920
some realization that ultimately they

4870
02:59:06,950 --> 02:59:05,279
better get ahead of this topic now

4871
02:59:08,630 --> 02:59:06,960
because just the idea i mean i could

4872
02:59:10,070 --> 02:59:08,640
think of a lot of things people have

4873
02:59:12,630 --> 02:59:10,080
said but

4874
02:59:15,190 --> 02:59:12,640
for her after this to go out on stage

4875
02:59:16,230 --> 02:59:15,200
and basically say

4876
02:59:21,190 --> 02:59:16,240
maybe

4877
02:59:22,870 --> 02:59:21,200
topic but i i want to say you know like

4878
02:59:25,269 --> 02:59:22,880
you guys said you know a lot of people

4879
02:59:27,429 --> 02:59:25,279
say well we're like ants you know to

4880
02:59:29,670 --> 02:59:27,439
them so why would they care but we have

4881
02:59:32,469 --> 02:59:29,680
people that study ants we have people

4882
02:59:34,469 --> 02:59:32,479
that's their job to study in so

4883
02:59:36,230 --> 02:59:34,479
kind of like chris said it does seem if

4884
02:59:37,590 --> 02:59:36,240
it's going on to be more scientific in

4885
02:59:39,429 --> 02:59:37,600
nature you know that could be the

4886
02:59:40,790 --> 02:59:39,439
interest but i also think you know

4887
02:59:42,870 --> 02:59:40,800
getting back to all your points that

4888
02:59:44,950 --> 02:59:42,880
were not special is what we're going

4889
02:59:47,510 --> 02:59:44,960
through is likely not special there's

4890
02:59:49,710 --> 02:59:47,520
probably been a numerous amount of

4891
02:59:51,830 --> 02:59:49,720
civilizations out there that are

4892
02:59:53,990 --> 02:59:51,840
semi-intelligent that are hopefully

4893
02:59:56,150 --> 02:59:54,000
potentially moving into

4894
02:59:58,469 --> 02:59:56,160
another stage so what we're going

4895
03:00:00,710 --> 02:59:58,479
through is probably not unique either

4896
03:00:02,550 --> 03:00:00,720
and probably worthy of study especially

4897
03:00:05,349 --> 03:00:02,560
if we are about to destroy ourselves

4898
03:00:07,590 --> 03:00:05,359
let's document how the earthlings on

4899
03:00:08,790 --> 03:00:07,600
humans destroy themselves you know i

4900
03:00:09,670 --> 03:00:08,800
think that

4901
03:00:13,190 --> 03:00:09,680
that

4902
03:00:15,030 --> 03:00:13,200
it's probably happened before what we're

4903
03:00:16,870 --> 03:00:15,040
going through

4904
03:00:18,389 --> 03:00:16,880
yeah i can tell you

4905
03:00:20,630 --> 03:00:18,399
i'm sorry i'm sorry martin i was gonna

4906
03:00:23,190 --> 03:00:20,640
say this new bill

4907
03:00:25,030 --> 03:00:23,200
has real teeth and it's probably going

4908
03:00:26,790 --> 03:00:25,040
to have somewhere close to a billion

4909
03:00:30,070 --> 03:00:26,800
dollar budget and it's going to be a

4910
03:00:31,910 --> 03:00:30,080
permanent office on uap studies that

4911
03:00:35,190 --> 03:00:31,920
dives into the history of this topic

4912
03:00:36,830 --> 03:00:35,200
going back not past 2004

4913
03:00:39,349 --> 03:00:36,840
like i think we all want to have this

4914
03:00:42,150 --> 03:00:39,359
discussion um so i'm hopeful i'm

4915
03:00:43,030 --> 03:00:42,160
incredibly hopeful and i think i i i

4916
03:00:44,389 --> 03:00:43,040
think

4917
03:00:45,670 --> 03:00:44,399
that this is going to have some power

4918
03:00:47,030 --> 03:00:45,680
it's going to change the conversation

4919
03:00:48,710 --> 03:00:47,040
it's not going to give us the craft it's

4920
03:00:50,550 --> 03:00:48,720
not going to give us the alien body but

4921
03:00:52,389 --> 03:00:50,560
it's going to start i think it like you

4922
03:00:53,510 --> 03:00:52,399
said you have a feeling that they're

4923
03:00:56,230 --> 03:00:53,520
kind of getting ahead of this

4924
03:00:58,070 --> 03:00:56,240
conversation this bill is exactly that

4925
03:01:00,389 --> 03:00:58,080
it's a getting it's getting ahead of the

4926
03:01:03,590 --> 03:01:00,399
conversation and you know i love his

4927
03:01:05,190 --> 03:01:03,600
enthusiasm i remember when i was younger

4928
03:01:07,030 --> 03:01:05,200
and i had that and don't think we don't

4929
03:01:08,950 --> 03:01:07,040
have it do we look older i don't think

4930
03:01:10,230 --> 03:01:08,960
we don't have it but at least

4931
03:01:13,269 --> 03:01:10,240
there are people out there who do have

4932
03:01:18,230 --> 03:01:15,269
it would be for the purpose of getting

4933
03:01:19,910 --> 03:01:18,240
more funding for military budget i mean

4934
03:01:21,349 --> 03:01:19,920
that's the ultimate right

4935
03:01:23,510 --> 03:01:21,359
the reason why i don't think that is

4936
03:01:25,269 --> 03:01:23,520
because the largest military budget that

4937
03:01:26,630 --> 03:01:25,279
has ever been approved just happened

4938
03:01:29,269 --> 03:01:26,640
without this

4939
03:01:30,790 --> 03:01:29,279
so no i i if the military wants a budget

4940
03:01:32,790 --> 03:01:30,800
the military is going to get a budget

4941
03:01:34,309 --> 03:01:32,800
they don't have to do this

4942
03:01:37,110 --> 03:01:34,319
this is not something that's public like

4943
03:01:40,550 --> 03:01:37,120
this yeah you know uh so that's that's

4944
03:01:42,550 --> 03:01:40,560
where i say no to that i if the military

4945
03:01:45,269 --> 03:01:42,560
military just approved you know a

4946
03:01:48,070 --> 03:01:45,279
hundred planes that cost a uh uh half a

4947
03:01:49,349 --> 03:01:48,080
trillion dollars for a hundred planes if

4948
03:01:51,670 --> 03:01:49,359
they want the budget they're gonna get

4949
03:01:53,830 --> 03:01:51,680
it they don't need a ufo story to do it

4950
03:01:56,070 --> 03:01:53,840
i really think they finally care they

4951
03:01:57,590 --> 03:01:56,080
finally are looking at cases like david

4952
03:01:58,710 --> 03:01:57,600
marlar presents all the time and they're

4953
03:02:00,309 --> 03:01:58,720
like hey

4954
03:02:02,469 --> 03:02:00,319
we didn't pay attention to these we need

4955
03:02:04,070 --> 03:02:02,479
to be ready if this happens again

4956
03:02:06,230 --> 03:02:04,080
um

4957
03:02:08,150 --> 03:02:06,240
and that'll be great but they're not

4958
03:02:10,550 --> 03:02:08,160
going to share anything that's why i get

4959
03:02:14,230 --> 03:02:10,560
so excited about science because science

4960
03:02:17,750 --> 03:02:14,240
is you know they're all about sharing um

4961
03:02:19,590 --> 03:02:17,760
defense is not bill nelson bill nelson's

4962
03:02:21,990 --> 03:02:19,600
face when he talks about this is

4963
03:02:24,389 --> 03:02:22,000
precious

4964
03:02:27,429 --> 03:02:24,399
i just want to say hello to our

4965
03:02:28,710 --> 03:02:27,439
better late than never guest greg bishop

4966
03:02:30,309 --> 03:02:28,720
hey greg

4967
03:02:34,950 --> 03:02:30,319
i was i was about to go down and eat

4968
03:02:39,429 --> 03:02:36,550
man i'm starving

4969
03:02:40,309 --> 03:02:39,439
now i gotta say hi you know yeah hey

4970
03:02:42,790 --> 03:02:40,319
greg

4971
03:02:45,349 --> 03:02:42,800
hey and yeah and uh michael actually

4972
03:02:48,150 --> 03:02:45,359
sent me some um what did you what was it

4973
03:02:50,469 --> 03:02:48,160
uh it was elk elk

4974
03:02:52,389 --> 03:02:50,479
summer sausage i think is what it was

4975
03:02:53,510 --> 03:02:52,399
it's amazing stuff

4976
03:02:56,150 --> 03:02:53,520
thank you

4977
03:02:59,110 --> 03:02:56,160
i liked it

4978
03:03:02,230 --> 03:02:59,120
i do have to go eat soon so i apologize

4979
03:03:04,469 --> 03:03:02,240
in advance you i mean i'm not in a i'm

4980
03:03:06,230 --> 03:03:04,479
in no hurry if anyone wants to hang out

4981
03:03:08,230 --> 03:03:06,240
just a little bit more because dean

4982
03:03:09,030 --> 03:03:08,240
aliotto's coming back in

4983
03:03:38,389 --> 03:03:09,040
um

4984
03:03:44,150 --> 03:03:40,790
can you guys hear me yeah we here yeah

4985
03:03:47,110 --> 03:03:45,190
yeah

4986
03:03:48,870 --> 03:03:47,120
anyway

4987
03:03:49,830 --> 03:03:48,880
i'm glad you made it greg

4988
03:03:54,070 --> 03:03:49,840
um

4989
03:03:55,590 --> 03:03:54,080
sidetracked with something with my

4990
03:03:57,510 --> 03:03:55,600
parents but um

4991
03:03:59,190 --> 03:03:57,520
i'm glad you're still going so to see

4992
03:04:01,030 --> 03:03:59,200
all these wonderful people

4993
03:04:02,710 --> 03:04:01,040
we have no idea why we're still going

4994
03:04:05,590 --> 03:04:02,720
but um

4995
03:04:07,429 --> 03:04:05,600
but i i have appreciated um everyone and

4996
03:04:09,750 --> 03:04:07,439
alejandro just came in a few minutes ago

4997
03:04:12,389 --> 03:04:09,760
so that's great and i know uh you have

4998
03:04:15,030 --> 03:04:12,399
to leave pretty quickly right uh michael

4999
03:04:17,110 --> 03:04:15,040
i do i'm starving and my balance between

5000
03:04:19,030 --> 03:04:17,120
food and my stomach and cognac in my

5001
03:04:21,830 --> 03:04:19,040
stomach is starting to tip

5002
03:04:23,750 --> 03:04:21,840
the wrong directions

5003
03:04:25,510 --> 03:04:23,760
this has been awesome though i i mean

5004
03:04:28,230 --> 03:04:25,520
and and cheers again you know this is

5005
03:04:29,990 --> 03:04:28,240
awesome ten years congratulations that's

5006
03:04:33,110 --> 03:04:30,000
that's fantastic but i

5007
03:04:33,910 --> 03:04:33,120
i do i do have to leave all right all

5008
03:04:35,750 --> 03:04:33,920
right

5009
03:04:37,349 --> 03:04:35,760
hey i look forward to the next ten all

5010
03:04:41,349 --> 03:04:37,359
right all right all right michael great

5011
03:04:45,349 --> 03:04:42,870
so um

5012
03:04:46,950 --> 03:04:45,359
greg uh so what have you been up to

5013
03:04:48,950 --> 03:04:46,960
lately i've listened to i started

5014
03:04:51,750 --> 03:04:48,960
listening to one of your shows today

5015
03:04:53,510 --> 03:04:51,760
you're still doing that uh a lot of fun

5016
03:04:55,750 --> 03:04:53,520
it's always a great you always have

5017
03:04:57,590 --> 03:04:55,760
interesting topics great stuff

5018
03:04:59,349 --> 03:04:57,600
we have been talking about all kinds of

5019
03:05:01,269 --> 03:04:59,359
things here the meaning of life and

5020
03:05:03,110 --> 03:05:01,279
everything else well that's what that

5021
03:05:03,830 --> 03:05:03,120
that's what you should do on podcast in

5022
03:05:07,030 --> 03:05:03,840
fact

5023
03:05:10,150 --> 03:05:07,040
on my show i try to talk

5024
03:05:11,830 --> 03:05:10,160
like i'll have somebody on like um

5025
03:05:13,670 --> 03:05:11,840
kevin day

5026
03:05:15,429 --> 03:05:13,680
and i didn't ask him about what happened

5027
03:05:16,870 --> 03:05:15,439
on the princeton i asked him about what

5028
03:05:19,510 --> 03:05:16,880
had happened to him and how he felt

5029
03:05:21,510 --> 03:05:19,520
about it and so you know it's i i try to

5030
03:05:22,950 --> 03:05:21,520
go in an area where you know that you

5031
03:05:25,830 --> 03:05:22,960
hadn't heard about before and questions

5032
03:05:27,590 --> 03:05:25,840
i want to hear answered and so you know

5033
03:05:30,070 --> 03:05:27,600
that's occasionally why i still do the

5034
03:05:32,070 --> 03:05:30,080
show um right now i'm doing that euro

5035
03:05:33,030 --> 03:05:32,080
ufology tarot thing with some friends of

5036
03:05:35,030 --> 03:05:33,040
mine

5037
03:05:38,550 --> 03:05:35,040
um yeah i saw that yeah

5038
03:05:39,670 --> 03:05:38,560
and is one of them uh miguel from mexico

5039
03:05:41,510 --> 03:05:39,680
yeah miguel

5040
03:05:43,750 --> 03:05:41,520
romero red pill yeah

5041
03:05:46,710 --> 03:05:43,760
yeah yeah we thought we'd talk about

5042
03:05:48,710 --> 03:05:46,720
ufos and ufology through for the medium

5043
03:05:51,030 --> 03:05:48,720
of tarot cards and not not so you can

5044
03:05:52,790 --> 03:05:51,040
tell the future or anything but just as

5045
03:05:55,429 --> 03:05:52,800
kind of a way of presenting the history

5046
03:05:57,349 --> 03:05:55,439
and and these people and um their

5047
03:05:59,030 --> 03:05:57,359
backgrounds and their biographies and

5048
03:06:00,630 --> 03:05:59,040
how they relate to others and it's it's

5049
03:06:02,070 --> 03:06:00,640
just um it's kind of like writing a

5050
03:06:03,269 --> 03:06:02,080
history of ufology but you're doing it

5051
03:06:05,349 --> 03:06:03,279
in pictures

5052
03:06:07,349 --> 03:06:05,359
so that's kind of

5053
03:06:11,110 --> 03:06:07,359
that sounds interesting i just saw ali

5054
03:06:12,790 --> 03:06:11,120
dean hey uh dean you said you wanted to

5055
03:06:14,790 --> 03:06:12,800
comment on something you sent me a on

5056
03:06:18,150 --> 03:06:14,800
something we were talking about what was

5057
03:06:19,910 --> 03:06:18,160
that you sent me a text

5058
03:06:21,190 --> 03:06:19,920
you're not you're muted dean hold on

5059
03:06:23,349 --> 03:06:21,200
you're muted

5060
03:06:25,670 --> 03:06:23,359
sorry i had a wardrobe change heading up

5061
03:06:27,590 --> 03:06:25,680
so but this is my moment where i kind of

5062
03:06:29,830 --> 03:06:27,600
go into the uh

5063
03:06:30,950 --> 03:06:29,840
network movie where peter finch says i'm

5064
03:06:32,790 --> 03:06:30,960
mad as hell i'm not going to take it

5065
03:06:35,830 --> 03:06:32,800
anymore oh yeah um

5066
03:06:37,750 --> 03:06:35,840
yeah yeah so i i'm i'm kind of really

5067
03:06:39,670 --> 03:06:37,760
sick and want to cancel

5068
03:06:42,150 --> 03:06:39,680
this this statement which is

5069
03:06:44,710 --> 03:06:42,160
you know we're not special enough why

5070
03:06:47,349 --> 03:06:44,720
would they want to interact with us um

5071
03:06:49,830 --> 03:06:47,359
life is not special folks

5072
03:06:52,790 --> 03:06:49,840
life is in and of itself

5073
03:06:54,790 --> 03:06:52,800
special the existence of it is

5074
03:06:57,269 --> 03:06:54,800
special it's not a it's not an

5075
03:06:59,349 --> 03:06:57,279
intelligence beauty contest so whenever

5076
03:07:01,110 --> 03:06:59,359
i hear people talk about

5077
03:07:03,429 --> 03:07:01,120
how they wouldn't be interested in us

5078
03:07:05,990 --> 03:07:03,439
because of this or that as alejandro

5079
03:07:06,870 --> 03:07:06,000
mentioned uh entomologists it's it's

5080
03:07:09,190 --> 03:07:06,880
just

5081
03:07:10,790 --> 03:07:09,200
that's not even worth spending time on

5082
03:07:13,670 --> 03:07:10,800
to say well they wouldn't do it because

5083
03:07:16,550 --> 03:07:13,680
of this or that who who knows

5084
03:07:19,030 --> 03:07:16,560
what what interests other intelligence

5085
03:07:20,630 --> 03:07:19,040
forms whether they're manipulating us or

5086
03:07:22,950 --> 03:07:20,640
they're just watching us and we have you

5087
03:07:24,790 --> 03:07:22,960
know free will um i'm just kind of you

5088
03:07:27,110 --> 03:07:24,800
know bored with that that we're not

5089
03:07:28,150 --> 03:07:27,120
interesting enough it's it's kind of

5090
03:07:29,750 --> 03:07:28,160
um

5091
03:07:33,030 --> 03:07:29,760
not just rude

5092
03:07:35,910 --> 03:07:33,040
but it's it's so dismissive of life

5093
03:07:38,710 --> 03:07:35,920
you know as as it exists so no more

5094
03:07:40,469 --> 03:07:38,720
hashtag cancel that you take personal

5095
03:07:42,230 --> 03:07:40,479
offense that aliens would not be

5096
03:07:43,590 --> 03:07:42,240
interested in you

5097
03:07:45,990 --> 03:07:43,600
and i kind of feel saying i know that

5098
03:07:48,070 --> 03:07:46,000
i'm not interested but you guys you're

5099
03:07:49,240 --> 03:07:48,080
so fascinating it's i think you're

5100
03:07:52,150 --> 03:07:49,250
fasting

5101
03:07:54,630 --> 03:07:52,160
[Laughter]

5102
03:07:57,269 --> 03:07:54,640
funny funny well thank you for dean and

5103
03:07:59,349 --> 03:07:57,279
it was me that posed that question so

5104
03:08:02,070 --> 03:07:59,359
cancel me if you want

5105
03:08:03,590 --> 03:08:02,080
oh was it you i think it was yeah

5106
03:08:09,510 --> 03:08:03,600
i'm right there right now you're gone

5107
03:08:14,469 --> 03:08:13,030
yeah that was it my last show yeah

5108
03:08:15,349 --> 03:08:14,479
no interesting

5109
03:08:17,830 --> 03:08:15,359
so

5110
03:08:19,910 --> 03:08:17,840
anyone want to uh we were talking

5111
03:08:22,389 --> 03:08:19,920
different topics earlier i i know you

5112
03:08:24,070 --> 03:08:22,399
you have been listening dean but uh you

5113
03:08:25,670 --> 03:08:24,080
know does anyone want to speculate

5114
03:08:27,990 --> 03:08:25,680
anymore i know

5115
03:08:30,630 --> 03:08:28,000
speculating isn't always a good idea but

5116
03:08:32,710 --> 03:08:30,640
you know i i like um a lot of times i

5117
03:08:34,870 --> 03:08:32,720
like to listen to greg because you know

5118
03:08:37,670 --> 03:08:34,880
i remember greg you said something i'm

5119
03:08:39,830 --> 03:08:37,680
not so interested in the ufo but

5120
03:08:42,309 --> 03:08:39,840
when that person drove by they saw a

5121
03:08:44,150 --> 03:08:42,319
stuffed teddy bear in plaid or something

5122
03:08:45,510 --> 03:08:44,160
like that you know you like to pick up

5123
03:08:48,950 --> 03:08:45,520
on the little

5124
03:08:49,990 --> 03:08:48,960
subtle things that make something very

5125
03:08:52,469 --> 03:08:50,000
curious

5126
03:08:54,550 --> 03:08:52,479
and uh yeah there's there's two reasons

5127
03:08:56,309 --> 03:08:54,560
for that one a long time ago i

5128
03:08:58,630 --> 03:08:56,319
interviewed carla turner

5129
03:09:00,469 --> 03:08:58,640
if people remember who she was

5130
03:09:03,110 --> 03:09:00,479
and she said something that really stuck

5131
03:09:05,670 --> 03:09:03,120
with me and it was to me the the answer

5132
03:09:07,990 --> 03:09:05,680
is going to align the anomalous details

5133
03:09:09,429 --> 03:09:08,000
which i i really took to heart and the

5134
03:09:12,550 --> 03:09:09,439
other thing is something that's going on

5135
03:09:15,110 --> 03:09:12,560
right now if you know um uh earl grey

5136
03:09:18,150 --> 03:09:15,120
anderson who lives out here in la

5137
03:09:19,349 --> 03:09:18,160
um he said something to me a couple of

5138
03:09:21,910 --> 03:09:19,359
months ago

5139
03:09:23,670 --> 03:09:21,920
after i gave a talk um for him and he

5140
03:09:25,750 --> 03:09:23,680
said um

5141
03:09:29,030 --> 03:09:25,760
i asked him you know how do you know

5142
03:09:30,229 --> 03:09:29,040
when when one of your cases is is worth

5143
03:09:31,590 --> 03:09:30,239
pursuing because he's a mufon

5144
03:09:33,990 --> 03:09:31,600
investigator

5145
03:09:35,830 --> 03:09:34,000
and he said if there's not something

5146
03:09:38,229 --> 03:09:35,840
they tell me that makes no sense

5147
03:09:40,469 --> 03:09:38,239
whatsoever i doubt that it's a that it's

5148
03:09:42,070 --> 03:09:40,479
a real case if there's you know not

5149
03:09:43,910 --> 03:09:42,080
something that like they'll they'll say

5150
03:09:45,670 --> 03:09:43,920
oh i saw this thing come down or i but

5151
03:09:47,750 --> 03:09:45,680
you know so i got abducted or whatever

5152
03:09:50,550 --> 03:09:47,760
and then they say something like

5153
03:09:53,269 --> 03:09:50,560
and um my grandmother called me from

5154
03:09:55,269 --> 03:09:53,279
beyond the grave or you know

5155
03:09:57,429 --> 03:09:55,279
just something that makes no sense

5156
03:09:59,429 --> 03:09:57,439
whatsoever in the context of

5157
03:10:01,750 --> 03:09:59,439
of some kind of experience

5158
03:10:04,309 --> 03:10:01,760
um he says that those tend to be the

5159
03:10:06,229 --> 03:10:04,319
ones that he believes or seems to think

5160
03:10:08,309 --> 03:10:06,239
that have more validity

5161
03:10:09,990 --> 03:10:08,319
and there's a you know that i think

5162
03:10:12,070 --> 03:10:10,000
that's a clue as to what's going on here

5163
03:10:13,349 --> 03:10:12,080
the weirder the thing is the truer it is

5164
03:10:15,030 --> 03:10:13,359
it seems like

5165
03:10:16,710 --> 03:10:15,040
um and people are going to have to start

5166
03:10:19,269 --> 03:10:16,720
accepting that because

5167
03:10:20,309 --> 03:10:19,279
if something holds together logically

5168
03:10:22,229 --> 03:10:20,319
um

5169
03:10:24,070 --> 03:10:22,239
i don't think it's uh

5170
03:10:26,790 --> 03:10:24,080
it's not part of the you know it's not

5171
03:10:28,389 --> 03:10:26,800
as much part of the ufo

5172
03:10:29,750 --> 03:10:28,399
yeah and i think that the

5173
03:10:31,110 --> 03:10:29,760
some of the answers or at least

5174
03:10:33,190 --> 03:10:31,120
understanding of that is going to come

5175
03:10:35,110 --> 03:10:33,200
in looking at those things that don't

5176
03:10:37,830 --> 03:10:35,120
fit in and those anomalies and things

5177
03:10:39,590 --> 03:10:37,840
that that they that a at least

5178
03:10:41,830 --> 03:10:39,600
previously serious researchers would

5179
03:10:43,910 --> 03:10:41,840
throw out they would they would um you

5180
03:10:45,750 --> 03:10:43,920
know win over the problem with that is

5181
03:10:47,750 --> 03:10:45,760
how do you have any understanding of

5182
03:10:50,309 --> 03:10:47,760
that now that could be part of the

5183
03:10:52,630 --> 03:10:50,319
nature of like the enigma you're talking

5184
03:10:54,950 --> 03:10:52,640
about but the problem is you can't have

5185
03:10:57,269 --> 03:10:54,960
any understanding of something like that

5186
03:10:59,670 --> 03:10:57,279
um that being the case

5187
03:11:02,229 --> 03:10:59,680
really

5188
03:11:04,630 --> 03:11:02,239
yeah well my my um how do you understand

5189
03:11:06,630 --> 03:11:04,640
the non-understandable

5190
03:11:10,150 --> 03:11:06,640
uh i think in an oblique way that i

5191
03:11:15,510 --> 03:11:12,550
it just seems like something that is

5192
03:11:17,429 --> 03:11:15,520
so strange that we can only look at it

5193
03:11:20,229 --> 03:11:17,439
in metaphor and obliquely and not

5194
03:11:21,269 --> 03:11:20,239
directly at it data is good

5195
03:11:23,670 --> 03:11:21,279
um

5196
03:11:25,190 --> 03:11:23,680
all the records we have that have come

5197
03:11:26,309 --> 03:11:25,200
up you know we have gotten up to this

5198
03:11:28,630 --> 03:11:26,319
point are good

5199
03:11:30,710 --> 03:11:28,640
photographic evidence video all that but

5200
03:11:33,030 --> 03:11:30,720
it still doesn't tell us what it is

5201
03:11:34,870 --> 03:11:33,040
where it comes from exactly at least in

5202
03:11:36,150 --> 03:11:34,880
a way that most people accept

5203
03:11:37,910 --> 03:11:36,160
so you know i kind of look at what

5204
03:11:40,550 --> 03:11:37,920
whitley strieber said a while back is

5205
03:11:42,469 --> 03:11:40,560
that whatever it is it's trying to

5206
03:11:44,630 --> 03:11:42,479
contact people and make sense to them in

5207
03:11:45,750 --> 03:11:44,640
the most democratic way possible and in

5208
03:11:48,790 --> 03:11:45,760
that case

5209
03:11:50,550 --> 03:11:48,800
it becomes very subjective and i i think

5210
03:11:51,990 --> 03:11:50,560
of you know when you see you know i i

5211
03:11:52,710 --> 03:11:52,000
think all of you have experienced this

5212
03:11:54,710 --> 03:11:52,720
you

5213
03:11:56,790 --> 03:11:54,720
see two people that have had a had some

5214
03:11:59,190 --> 03:11:56,800
kind of encounter a close encounter the

5215
03:11:59,990 --> 03:11:59,200
closer the more the more significant for

5216
03:12:02,150 --> 03:12:00,000
them

5217
03:12:05,110 --> 03:12:02,160
and that they can have completely

5218
03:12:06,870 --> 03:12:05,120
different experience right both know

5219
03:12:09,349 --> 03:12:06,880
exactly what they're talking about they

5220
03:12:11,590 --> 03:12:09,359
both know that they that they that

5221
03:12:12,870 --> 03:12:11,600
there's something in how they interact

5222
03:12:15,110 --> 03:12:12,880
where they know

5223
03:12:17,429 --> 03:12:15,120
that they they have uh they've had they

5224
03:12:19,190 --> 03:12:17,439
both had a strange experience

5225
03:12:21,910 --> 03:12:19,200
right you said something interesting to

5226
03:12:24,150 --> 03:12:21,920
my doc uh greg you were talking about um

5227
03:12:25,510 --> 03:12:24,160
and it wasn't just one thing um you were

5228
03:12:27,510 --> 03:12:25,520
talking about how

5229
03:12:29,510 --> 03:12:27,520
people when they go to investigate

5230
03:12:30,870 --> 03:12:29,520
something they already have the answers

5231
03:12:32,790 --> 03:12:30,880
that they want

5232
03:12:35,750 --> 03:12:32,800
and so they're doing everything to

5233
03:12:37,990 --> 03:12:35,760
support that and not look around at all

5234
03:12:39,349 --> 03:12:38,000
that i think i would love to see a chart

5235
03:12:41,590 --> 03:12:39,359
it's kind of like the five stages of

5236
03:12:44,389 --> 03:12:41,600
grief of how you know your interest kind

5237
03:12:46,389 --> 03:12:44,399
of in ufos begins and then how it builds

5238
03:12:47,590 --> 03:12:46,399
and it goes to you know from denial to

5239
03:12:49,830 --> 03:12:47,600
acceptance and then you start

5240
03:12:51,429 --> 03:12:49,840
formulating these ideas and then i

5241
03:12:53,269 --> 03:12:51,439
remember all of them in my own journey

5242
03:12:55,349 --> 03:12:53,279
and i remember going well if there's

5243
03:12:57,670 --> 03:12:55,359
dead people on the other side then

5244
03:12:59,110 --> 03:12:57,680
they're traveling the astral plane done

5245
03:13:01,190 --> 03:12:59,120
i don't know how many times i've gone

5246
03:13:02,950 --> 03:13:01,200
done and then it morphs into something

5247
03:13:03,990 --> 03:13:02,960
else so i think at the end of the day

5248
03:13:05,990 --> 03:13:04,000
what we're all trying to do is we're

5249
03:13:08,710 --> 03:13:06,000
trying to guess the end of the film and

5250
03:13:10,469 --> 03:13:08,720
we're not supposed to to a degree and so

5251
03:13:12,150 --> 03:13:10,479
i think we have to kind of honor that as

5252
03:13:15,110 --> 03:13:12,160
well and if we get little glimpse and

5253
03:13:17,750 --> 03:13:15,120
stuff good for us those are bonuses and

5254
03:13:19,429 --> 03:13:17,760
you know ring that bell but um you know

5255
03:13:21,429 --> 03:13:19,439
if they want to be seen they're going to

5256
03:13:23,429 --> 03:13:21,439
show us nuts and bolts for 70 years

5257
03:13:25,190 --> 03:13:23,439
they've not shown us nuts and bolts

5258
03:13:27,110 --> 03:13:25,200
regardless of if the government has

5259
03:13:29,510 --> 03:13:27,120
those pictures or not we all have phones

5260
03:13:31,590 --> 03:13:29,520
and hopefully we spend time doing this

5261
03:13:34,150 --> 03:13:31,600
as much as this right

5262
03:13:35,190 --> 03:13:34,160
but um yeah that's my last two cents on

5263
03:13:38,309 --> 03:13:35,200
that

5264
03:13:41,110 --> 03:13:38,319
well may i just say martin um

5265
03:13:43,349 --> 03:13:41,120
i have to go but i wanted to well no i

5266
03:13:46,710 --> 03:13:43,359
think i think we probably should rap

5267
03:13:48,550 --> 03:13:46,720
and uh um sorry greg and uh alejandra

5268
03:13:51,349 --> 03:13:48,560
you think okay

5269
03:13:55,269 --> 03:13:51,359
oh sorry are we supposed to rap yeah

5270
03:13:58,790 --> 03:13:57,429
yeah start somebody started boxing let

5271
03:14:01,590 --> 03:13:58,800
somebody start beatboxing oh that was

5272
03:14:03,830 --> 03:14:01,600
your rap okay all right i get it i get

5273
03:14:05,590 --> 03:14:03,840
it okay all right no but i was gonna say

5274
03:14:08,070 --> 03:14:05,600
martin real quick i mean just thank you

5275
03:14:10,630 --> 03:14:08,080
for inviting me to this and and uh you

5276
03:14:12,469 --> 03:14:10,640
know letting me be your guest today um

5277
03:14:14,229 --> 03:14:12,479
if there's something that i've learned

5278
03:14:15,590 --> 03:14:14,239
about you

5279
03:14:18,309 --> 03:14:15,600
it's like there's a couple things first

5280
03:14:20,229 --> 03:14:18,319
of all you're an inspiration and and

5281
03:14:22,070 --> 03:14:20,239
you've inspired me and and a lot of

5282
03:14:23,990 --> 03:14:22,080
people have brought that up in this in

5283
03:14:26,630 --> 03:14:24,000
this almost three hour plan well more

5284
03:14:29,990 --> 03:14:26,640
than three hour panel um

5285
03:14:33,190 --> 03:14:30,000
and uh i'm happy that i know you

5286
03:14:35,750 --> 03:14:33,200
and i've also have got to start leaning

5287
03:14:39,750 --> 03:14:35,760
on you to get some more guests on my

5288
03:14:41,590 --> 03:14:39,760
show because you know them all and i'm

5289
03:14:43,990 --> 03:14:41,600
so happy to have been exposed to david

5290
03:14:46,309 --> 03:14:44,000
marlar and dean and irene and greg and

5291
03:14:49,590 --> 03:14:46,319
everybody who was on the show today and

5292
03:14:51,830 --> 03:14:49,600
and the both of you guys alejandro and

5293
03:14:54,550 --> 03:14:51,840
and martin both of you guys were such a

5294
03:14:56,790 --> 03:14:54,560
huge huge inspiration

5295
03:14:58,710 --> 03:14:56,800
and um you know every time i flew a

5296
03:15:00,469 --> 03:14:58,720
little too close to the sun you guys

5297
03:15:02,070 --> 03:15:00,479
pulled me back a little bit closer to

5298
03:15:04,150 --> 03:15:02,080
the atmosphere and got me thinking in

5299
03:15:07,110 --> 03:15:04,160
more logical ways and i i can't

5300
03:15:09,910 --> 03:15:07,120
appreciate you guys enough for that and

5301
03:15:12,469 --> 03:15:09,920
it's been an absolute pleasure and honor

5302
03:15:14,950 --> 03:15:12,479
to be here and and congratulations on 10

5303
03:15:17,590 --> 03:15:14,960
years man again like you do this once a

5304
03:15:20,389 --> 03:15:17,600
week for the last 10 years that's such a

5305
03:15:22,790 --> 03:15:20,399
massive accomplishment and really

5306
03:15:24,950 --> 03:15:22,800
i mean they're television shows with way

5307
03:15:27,190 --> 03:15:24,960
bigger budgets and and things that don't

5308
03:15:29,110 --> 03:15:27,200
last anywhere near 10 years they're

5309
03:15:30,710 --> 03:15:29,120
they're here and they're gone and and i

5310
03:15:32,550 --> 03:15:30,720
hope you give us another 10 years

5311
03:15:34,950 --> 03:15:32,560
because i'm greedy like that but i

5312
03:15:36,550 --> 03:15:34,960
appreciate you hey thanks so much that

5313
03:15:38,150 --> 03:15:36,560
was very nice to you all right and

5314
03:15:40,710 --> 03:15:38,160
there's no better thanks than you do and

5315
03:15:42,870 --> 03:15:40,720
what you do i mean it's so awesome that

5316
03:15:44,389 --> 03:15:42,880
you're doing what you do

5317
03:15:46,389 --> 03:15:44,399
well thank you

5318
03:15:47,830 --> 03:15:46,399
thank you oh and i was saying for lou

5319
03:15:49,190 --> 03:15:47,840
there's no better thanks you know an

5320
03:15:50,790 --> 03:15:49,200
appreciation

5321
03:15:52,950 --> 03:15:50,800
but for martin

5322
03:15:54,309 --> 03:15:52,960
i'll take it for you

5323
03:15:56,229 --> 03:15:54,319
no i'm mad

5324
03:15:58,630 --> 03:15:56,239
i'm not gonna thank you for being here

5325
03:16:01,269 --> 03:15:58,640
i'm gonna i'm like why did you pull me

5326
03:16:03,110 --> 03:16:01,279
off of stuff that was important that i

5327
03:16:04,790 --> 03:16:03,120
was making money doing

5328
03:16:06,469 --> 03:16:04,800
yeah

5329
03:16:09,030 --> 03:16:06,479
you got to take a specific time with

5330
03:16:11,190 --> 03:16:09,040
this casted character you know

5331
03:16:13,429 --> 03:16:11,200
and let me just now if anyone's looking

5332
03:16:15,429 --> 03:16:13,439
for ufo podcasts and you see it they

5333
03:16:16,710 --> 03:16:15,439
have a perfect five score

5334
03:16:18,229 --> 03:16:16,720
run away

5335
03:16:20,309 --> 03:16:18,239
you don't want that

5336
03:16:21,349 --> 03:16:20,319
you want like a 4.5 you want to sit

5337
03:16:24,229 --> 03:16:21,359
around there

5338
03:16:25,670 --> 03:16:24,239
maybe a 4.6 because you want someone

5339
03:16:27,110 --> 03:16:25,680
who's going to throw down and give you

5340
03:16:28,229 --> 03:16:27,120
the real scope and if you don't like it

5341
03:16:30,950 --> 03:16:28,239
that's okay

5342
03:16:32,790 --> 03:16:30,960
but these guys always do alejandro and

5343
03:16:35,429 --> 03:16:32,800
and martin always do

5344
03:16:37,590 --> 03:16:35,439
yeah well thank you man thanks

5345
03:16:39,830 --> 03:16:37,600
i just want to say from the legion of

5346
03:16:41,990 --> 03:16:39,840
fans that you have across the other side

5347
03:16:43,750 --> 03:16:42,000
of the world on behalf of the you say

5348
03:16:45,510 --> 03:16:43,760
that you have got many australian fans

5349
03:16:48,229 --> 03:16:45,520
and i'd like to say on behalf of your

5350
03:16:50,710 --> 03:16:48,239
many many australian fans thank you for

5351
03:16:53,190 --> 03:16:50,720
your effort and once again everything

5352
03:16:56,150 --> 03:16:53,200
that everyone has said that

5353
03:16:58,550 --> 03:16:56,160
a massive achievement 10 years every

5354
03:17:00,710 --> 03:16:58,560
week i don't know how you do it

5355
03:17:02,630 --> 03:17:00,720
and you hold down a day job and on top

5356
03:17:03,830 --> 03:17:02,640
of that that's just miraculous and my

5357
03:17:06,550 --> 03:17:03,840
turn so

5358
03:17:09,830 --> 03:17:06,560
um for anybody

5359
03:17:13,110 --> 03:17:09,840
and an amazing level-headed selection of

5360
03:17:16,870 --> 03:17:13,120
um you know you keep out the crazies um

5361
03:17:19,590 --> 03:17:16,880
and the misinformation largely i think

5362
03:17:21,030 --> 03:17:19,600
um i think i really appreciate the solid

5363
03:17:23,190 --> 03:17:21,040
um uh

5364
03:17:24,710 --> 03:17:23,200
guests that you have i speak on behalf

5365
03:17:27,750 --> 03:17:24,720
of all australians who listen to your

5366
03:17:30,309 --> 03:17:27,760
podcast and the um good quality

5367
03:17:32,150 --> 03:17:30,319
information that um

5368
03:17:35,429 --> 03:17:32,160
yeah pushes

5369
03:17:38,229 --> 03:17:35,439
more this more into the open so

5370
03:17:41,349 --> 03:17:38,239
yeah thank you martin thank you so much

5371
03:17:43,110 --> 03:17:41,359
a great honor to be here all right okay

5372
03:17:44,790 --> 03:17:43,120
everyone i think we're gonna

5373
03:17:46,550 --> 03:17:44,800
i'm we're gonna close the show i won't

5374
03:17:48,469 --> 03:17:46,560
say wrap it but we're gonna close the

5375
03:17:51,190 --> 03:17:48,479
show i wanna hear david say something

5376
03:17:55,269 --> 03:17:51,200
sentimental oh yes david okay

5377
03:17:57,190 --> 03:17:55,279
oh wow thanks alejandra yeah

5378
03:17:58,710 --> 03:17:57,200
wow i haven't even got to hear you talk

5379
03:18:00,790 --> 03:17:58,720
yet

5380
03:18:01,910 --> 03:18:00,800
david why is mosin i thought he was a

5381
03:18:03,429 --> 03:18:01,920
freezer

5382
03:18:05,670 --> 03:18:03,439
it's like i didn't have anything to say

5383
03:18:07,110 --> 03:18:05,680
on this topic just like high school all

5384
03:18:08,790 --> 03:18:07,120
over again i sat in the back and tried

5385
03:18:13,110 --> 03:18:08,800
to be quiet so the teacher wouldn't call

5386
03:18:18,150 --> 03:18:15,269
no i obviously i think everything's been

5387
03:18:20,550 --> 03:18:18,160
said this evening but uh you know

5388
03:18:21,990 --> 03:18:20,560
myself and with all due respect to all

5389
03:18:24,229 --> 03:18:22,000
the panelists that have been on tonight

5390
03:18:25,269 --> 03:18:24,239
i don't think any of us are egotistical

5391
03:18:27,510 --> 03:18:25,279
enough to think that we're going to

5392
03:18:29,990 --> 03:18:27,520
solve this ufo mystery

5393
03:18:32,950 --> 03:18:30,000
but collectively i think we can gain

5394
03:18:36,950 --> 03:18:32,960
insights into that and you are a

5395
03:18:38,790 --> 03:18:36,960
cornerstone of that community because as

5396
03:18:40,790 --> 03:18:38,800
has been demonstrated this evening look

5397
03:18:43,590 --> 03:18:40,800
at all of your friends your colleagues

5398
03:18:44,550 --> 03:18:43,600
that are coming together to pay tribute

5399
03:18:47,750 --> 03:18:44,560
to you

5400
03:18:49,590 --> 03:18:47,760
and you brought us together and so

5401
03:18:51,590 --> 03:18:49,600
you know that's nothing but a positive

5402
03:18:53,590 --> 03:18:51,600
as far as i can see and not to get too

5403
03:18:56,150 --> 03:18:53,600
sappy or sentimental but martin you're a

5404
03:18:58,550 --> 03:18:56,160
good friend both on and off camera

5405
03:19:01,670 --> 03:18:58,560
you are loved you're loved by the entire

5406
03:19:03,349 --> 03:19:01,680
group here assembled and uh

5407
03:19:05,990 --> 03:19:03,359
well that's all i can say

5408
03:19:07,490 --> 03:19:06,000
wow very moving

5409
03:19:10,550 --> 03:19:07,500
i think that was an apple

5410
03:19:11,910 --> 03:19:10,560
[Laughter]

5411
03:19:13,269 --> 03:19:11,920
all right everyone

5412
03:19:15,269 --> 03:19:13,279
all right i'm going to be popping you

5413
03:19:16,830 --> 03:19:15,279
out and i have to talk about next week

5414
03:19:18,950 --> 03:19:16,840
but thank you all so

5415
03:19:21,030 --> 03:19:18,960
much you monkey martin martin thanks way

5416
03:19:22,389 --> 03:19:21,040
to go martin all right it's been great

5417
03:19:23,269 --> 03:19:22,399
thanks so much

5418
03:19:29,750 --> 03:19:23,279
all right

5419
03:19:32,389 --> 03:19:29,760
that's it for our show next week we have

5420
03:19:34,950 --> 03:19:32,399
ryan stacy will be back at the regular

5421
03:19:36,550 --> 03:19:34,960
time and thanks so much everyone for

5422
03:19:39,269 --> 03:19:36,560
hanging in there all this time and

5423
03:19:42,920 --> 03:19:39,279
remember remember 10 more years to keep

5424
03:19:52,020 --> 03:19:42,930
your eyes to the sky